Originally posted by @eladarActually the Bible states several things about Jesus and his relationship with God that gives a clearer picture than John 1:1, and which contradicts your incorrect conclusions:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The only thing wrong with this sentence is your lack of perspective. You believe God is limited to our perspective. I would say this is because you have created your God from your own imagination.
- that Jesus and God are NOT EQUAL
- that Jesus does not know everything God knows
As Paul said clearly .. ..the head of Christ is God
Jesus said clearly .. the Father is greater than I
Your imagined God and Christ is not biblical.
Originally posted by @secondsonYes. Abraham is saying that God himself will provide the lamb.
God will provide himself a lamb.
In Revelations Jesus referred to Himself as a lamb more than any other description.
Go provided a lamb. Jesus. Jesus is the lamb. God provided himself a lamb. Jesus is God.
I realize that after so many years of indoctrination by the watchtower you're unable to see it.
And if you'd read further you'd see that God did just that:
Genesis 22
10And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. 11And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. 12And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. 13And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
With your line of thinking, one would have to believe that the offering that God provided to Abraham was God incarnate. Do you believe that?
Let's recap:
Isaac asks Abraham where they are going to get lamb for a burnt offering.
Abraham replies that God himself will provide it.
God provides the offering.
Abraham offers it up in the stead of his son.
Somehow you managed to take a simple and straightforward story and pervert it into something else entirely? Seriously? Are there no bounds to your nonsensical thinking?
02 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rajk999Thanks for sharing what the spirit within you allows you to see.
Actually the Bible states several things about Jesus and his relationship with God that gives a clearer picture than John 1:1, and which contradicts your incorrect conclusions:
- that Jesus and God are NOT EQUAL
- that Jesus does not know everything God knows
As Paul said clearly .. ..[b]the head of Christ is God
Jesus said clearly .. the Father is greater than I
Your imagined God and Christ is not biblical.[/b]
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02 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rajk999How many times does this have to be explained to you and the Biblical reference provided?
Actually the Bible states several things about Jesus and his relationship with God that gives a clearer picture than John 1:1, and which contradicts your incorrect conclusions:
- that Jesus and God are NOT EQUAL
- that Jesus does not know everything God knows
As Paul said clearly .. ..[b]the head of Christ is God
Jesus said clearly .. the Father is greater than I
Your imagined God and Christ is not biblical.[/b]
Jesus Christ while He was in the flesh did not have the same status He had before then when He was with God the Father.
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”
(Hebrews 2:9)
If you read the Gospel of John chapter 1 and Hebrews chapters 1 and 2 - and meditate on what they say - you should eventually come to The Truth.
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02 Jun 18
Originally posted by @chaney3“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”
The big deal is this:
Peter did NOT say that Jesus is God, and.....Jesus did NOT correct him.
(Hebrews 2:9)
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02 Jun 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneJesus was *the* Son of God, not *a* son of God.
Jesus calls His followers to become sons of God as He was a son of God.
Matthew 5
9“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
To think that Jesus was only equal to every Christian past and present because He and they are “sons of God” is a rejection of the Bible.
02 Jun 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Jesus never claimed, in a clear manner, that He is God.
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”
(Hebrews 2:9)
Why are you putting the words of Bible writers over the non-words of Jesus?
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02 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rajk999God the Father and God the Son have always been distinct but equal. It was only after Jesus took on human flesh that His status was diminished.
God provided a lamb for Abraham
God provided His Son for the sacrifice for the sins of the world.
He did not send HIMSELF like I said.
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”
(Hebrews 2:9)
02 Jun 18
Originally posted by @chaney3In a clear manner just goes to show the spirit in your heart.
Jesus never claimed, in a clear manner, that He is God.
Why are you putting the words of Bible writers over the non-words of Jesus?
It is clear enough when Jesus claimed to be I am.
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Originally posted by @chaney3Jesus did identify as God numerous times. I started a thread on it about a month ago that got spammed by atheist and Christ-denying trolls - but not before I posted quite a few verses and passages (but far from all of them) to prove Jesus was God in the flesh.
Jesus never claimed, in a clear manner, that He is God.
Why are you putting the words of Bible writers over the non-words of Jesus?