06 Jun '13 20:37>
Originally posted by sonhouse
One thought, our intelligence enables us to see patterns in randomness when in fact nothing is there. Chimps, for instance, cannot imagine patterns embedded in randomness because they have no sense of mind, they cannot visualize internally the idea there might be an active mind behind everything they cannot understand. Their brains are just not sophisticate ...[text shortened]... gious feelings, they can finally grow up and be adults which as a race, we are not even close.
Chimps, for instance, cannot imagine patterns embedded in randomness because they have no sense of mind, they cannot visualize internally the idea there might be an active mind behind everything they cannot understand. Their brains are just not sophisticated enough.
Out of curiosity, do you have references for these claims about chimp mentality?
Humans on the other hand, can attribute patterns, like thinking a god is giving them special messages in lightning, thunder, volcanoes, earthquakes, floods and so forth.
I don't think your argument here rests on a claim of attributing patterns, per se, but rather on a more focused claim of attributing agency. This is broadly related to notions like the "intentional stance".
At any rate, this won't constitute an explanation of why these types of religious commitments proliferated cross-culturally, etc, unless one can further support the claim that our ancestors were not only capable of this but broadly disposed toward this, which in turn also begs explanation of why that would be so. From a practical standpoint, this will require a concerted case to show that either (1) such was naturally selected for, in accordance with plausible mechanisms related to natural selection, etc or (2) such are predominantly spandrels of some sort or other. I have seen persons try to argue both cases.
If people understood that and were able to shuck the shackles of simulated religious feelings, they can finally grow up and be adults which as a race, we are not even close.
This I largely agree with. Even if the disposition toward attribution of supernatural agency (in cases where there is no rational justification for doing so) posed some evolutionary benefit, it doesn't follow that one should not endeavor to reform it upon standing back a little and introspecting on it. It seems complicated though. Persons, upon focused introspection, will have little trouble accepting that they ought to work on reforming some evolutionarily infixed disposition to stuff their faces whenever fatty food is readily available; but they will as easily fail to accept that they ought to reform some disposition toward attribution of agency that has no actual evidence in its favor. The latter can help in playing a strong narrative function that resounds strongly within for whatever reasons. But, at any rate, I think the march of science and education can wear away at this by breaking down some of the reinforcements for such disposition. At least nowadays its taken for granted that we have plausible natural explanations for things like lightning, earthquakes, etc.
With respect to attribution of agency and its (ersatz) explanative function, there are at least two issues. One is what you are hitting on: that willy-nilly attribution of agency doesn't actually play any real explanative role that a mature rational being should take seriously, and one should be able to understand this. The other is the underlying psychological neediness to have ready answers to questions that concern us, especially at the level that may inform our conceptions of personal meaning. For such questions, persons often do not seem too satisfied with "I really do not know why [this or that] is so". For those who are particularly disposed to this type of neediness, I would guess that introspection on this could aid in its dissolution on some level, which would promote more objectivity in one's inquiries into the world.