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  1. Behind the scenes
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    02 Dec '18 17:40
    They say the cover up can be worse than the crime, but considering the sheer number of Trump aides caught lying to the F.B.I. Congress, Prosecutors, and the general public and the sheer scope of their lies, I'm not so sure anymore. One lied about his knowledge of Russian-hacked emails, another about a Russian real estate deal, a third about dialogue over sanctions with a Russian ambassador. The most recent example came Thursday, when Trump’s former lawyer, Michael Cohen, pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about negotiations he had on Trump’s behalf for a real estate deal in Moscow. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, is being sentenced later this month after admitting lying to the FBI by saying he didn’t discuss sanctions against Russia during the transition with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the U.S. at the time, and if that's not enough Papadopoulos was sentenced to 14 days in jail for lying to FBI in Mueller probe, Manafort was jailed for witness tampering, and the list goes on and on.

    Despite all this, Trump supporters cling to their little bibles and believe with all their hearts Donald J Trump is their heaven sent savior. I just don't get it.


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/20/michael-flynn-trump-sentenced-december

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/11/former-trump-aide-michael-cohen-admits-lying-congress/577003/

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-aides-caught-in-web-of-deception-over-russia-contacts/ar-BBQks8U

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/papadopoulos-sentenced-14-days-jail-lying-fbi-mueller-probe-n907266
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    02 Dec '18 18:47
    I have a slight case of scandal fatigue.
    I think I'll lie down for a while.
  3. Germany
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    02 Dec '18 18:59
    "Witch Hunt!" - leader of the witch coven
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    05 Dec '18 02:13
    @mchill. Mr McHill.....You? Don’t get it? You mention nothing about yourman Obama ruining my secretaries life by saying she (who is sick) could keep her doctor. That, she would save $2500/yr,
    She was extremely happy. Then there was Obama’s Frankenstein-in-residence (Gruber) who furthered the lie, saying on tape ‘ignorant public won’t get it’. Oh please mr. McHill. By the way, why don’t the media, Schumer, NYT, etc ever compliment Trump onONE of his 80 plus accomplishments? Over 80. Google it. Answer that please, no liberal can answer that. Or won’t. Why did the media never fault Obama for, well, anything?
  5. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    05 Dec '18 02:25
    @averagejoe1 said
    @mchill. Mr McHill.....You? Don’t get it? You mention nothing about yourman Obama ruining my secretaries life by saying she (who is sick) could keep her doctor. That, she would save $2500/yr,
    She was extremely happy. Then there was Obama’s Frankenstein-in-residence (Gruber) who furthered the lie, saying on tape ‘ignorant public won’t get it’. Oh please mr. McHill. By ...[text shortened]... ease, no liberal can answer that. Or won’t. Why did the media never fault Obama for, well, anything?
    Out of Trump's 80 accomplishments, which is his best?
    Tell us what he did and what was the result.
    Thanks.
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    05 Dec '18 02:55
    can’t type that much, but I can suggest googling it, I’d mentioned that before? It’s all there. You’ll be amazed. The military strengthened , the millions of jobs, care of vets, guarding our borders as do all countries, appointing judges who will not make law, but follow law, etc. sometimes, Wolfie, I think you are putting eon
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    05 Dec '18 02:59
    Oh I didn’t see your specific ‘What is best thing Trump has done.’ Following law is paramount in society. The jurisdiction over same is our Supreme Court. Thus his greatest achievement has been appointing judges who will do so.
  8. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    @averagejoe1 said
    Oh I didn’t see your specific ‘What is best thing Trump has done.’ Following law is paramount in society. The jurisdiction over same is our Supreme Court. Thus his greatest achievement has been appointing judges who will do so.
    So in your opinion Trump's GREATEST achievement is appointing judges to uphold the law.

    Which is exactly what all Presidents strive to do.

    Now the second part of my challenge to you was to explain the consequence of
    that achievement. What has actually happened thanks to Trump's appointments?
  9. Standard memberHandyAndy
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    @wolfgang59 said
    So in your opinion Trump's GREATEST achievement is appointing judges to uphold the law.
    Which is exactly what all Presidents strive to do.
    Now the second part of my challenge to you was to explain the consequence of
    that achievement. What has actually happened thanks to Trump's appointments?
    He can’t type that much, but he can suggest googling it.
  10. Subscribermoonbus
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    05 Dec '18 11:37
    @mchill

    There's more, much more to come:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46449950

    I can hardly wait to read the bits which were blacked out of Mueller's recent statement.
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    I’m with you on that and I am not being sarcastic, I too want it to end. Cant predict things, but chances are that no one, not even crooked Hillary, will go to jail. Bernie should go today because he violated his environmental principles and his economic principles, by spending $300,000 to cross the fruited plains yesterday in a private jet. Did y’all contribute to his campaigns?
    Do y’all know that 70% of California households are on welfare. Help me Rhonda. Hey Wolfie, I don’t get the point of your taking issue with my simple answer to your question, regarding the results of his 2 appointments to the Court. Has the Courtt even convened yet? Please Take a breath.
    As to asking you to google, are you suggesting that I instead type all his accomplishments? I don’t have that time, I have to work to support my family and to get ready to pay impending Democrats tax increase. I will predict one thing... Liberal Democrat Progressives will win in the end. I mean that. Y’all have a way about you. But before you sign on, remember, Socialism is for the people, not for the socialists.
  12. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    05 Dec '18 13:48
    @averagejoe1 said
    Hey Wolfie, I don’t get the point of your taking issue with my simple answer to your question, regarding the results of his 2 appointments to the Court. Has the Courtt even convened yet? Please Take a breath.
    Precisely.
    So his greatest accomplishment (which you chose) has achieved nothing yet.

    That's the best you can do?
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    05 Dec '18 15:00
    An oak tree takes a lot longer to grow and blossom as does a softwood tree,..... not much has been put before Kavanaugh yet, but check out the opinions of judge Gorsuch. (Google again, I’m sorry) There, indeed, may be your genius. Judges who rule with emotion or without regard to the Constitution can be quite hurtful to our nation.
  14. Subscribersonhouse
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    05 Dec '18 18:51
    @AverageJoe1
    But Trump has ALREADY caused near irreparable harm to the US AND the world. Now the literal laughing stock, you can see that in the speech he gave at the UN building, saying Germany will be forced to buy Russian oil and such.
    But his own corruption issues harm the US by seeing him saying nothng, ZERO to Putin, Un, or the Prince of Saudi Arabia when ANY other POTUS would have been incensed at their actions. He met VERY briefly with the president of Argentina, walked past him and on a mike he didn't know was open, said and I quote, "Get me out of here''.
    He has ZERO empathy for ANYONE but Trump Sr and his kids. The rest of the world, to be used as his personal ATM.
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    05 Dec '18 20:56
    You think he does not care about this country? Only about himself? He is.making less money now while he works 18 hours a day and drains the swamp. He is fighting CNN and an invasion of the border at the same time.
    Regarding his actions in Argentina, there is method in his madness. People should let him jockey for position in these high level negotiations . He knows who to talk to and when. Have you read his list of 80 accomplishments? Nobody can stand our heart doctor here in Mt. Pilot, a boorish smelly guy who smokes and cusses around children, beats his wife. But he is a genius heart doctor. Would you want him to fix your heart or a guy who is the greatest, a sweetheart like Jimmy Carter, but doesn’t have a great record of doctoring? I’d hire the ugly doctor, and I’d hire Trump to keep us safe, create jobs, pick good judges, etc
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