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  1. 29 Jun '09 17:23
    I posted this article in another thread(cap and trade)but it is being avoided like the plague.
    Its worthy of discussion and deserves its own thread,me thinks.
    EPA’s Game of Global Warming Hide-and-Seek
    Michelle Malkin
    Friday, June 26, 2009 – Townhall.com

    The Obama administration doesn’t want to hear inconvenient truths about global warming. And they don’t want you to hear them, either. As Democrats rush on Friday to pass a $4 trillion, thousand-page “cap and trade” bill that no one has read, environmental bureaucrats are stifling voices that threaten their political agenda.

    The free market-based Competitive Enterprise Institute in Washington (where I served as a journalism fellow in 1995) obtained a set of internal e-mails exposing Team Obama’s willful and reckless disregard for data that undermine the illusion of “consensus.” In March, Alan Carlin, a senior research analyst at the Environmental Protection Agency, asked agency officials to distribute his analysis on the health effects of greenhouse gases. EPA has proposed a public health “endangerment finding” covering CO2 and five other gases that would trigger costly, extensive new regulations of motor vehicles. The open comment period on the ruling ended this week. But Carlin’s study didn’t fit the blame-human-activity narrative, so it didn’t make the cut.

    On March 12, Carlin’s director, Al McGartland, forbade him from having “any direct communication” with anyone outside his office about his study. “There should be no meetings, e-mails, written statements, phone calls, etc.” On March 16, Carlin urged his superiors to forward his work to EPA’s Office of Air and Radiation, which runs the agency’s climate change program. A day later, McGartland dismissed Carlin and showed his true, politicized colors:

    “The time for such discussion of fundamental issues has passed for this round. The administrator and the administration has decided to move forward on endangerment, and your comments do not help the legal or policy case for this decision. I can only see one impact of your comments given where we are in the process, and that would be a very negative impact on our office.”

    Contrary comments, in other words, would interfere with the “process” of ramming the EPA’s endangerment finding through. Truth in science took a back seat to protecting eco-bureaucrats from “a very negative impact.”

    In another follow-up e-mail, McGartland warned Carlin to drop the subject altogether: “With the endangerment finding nearly final, you need to move on to other issues and subjects. I don’t want you to spend any additional EPA time on climate change. No papers, no research, etc, at least until we see what EPA is going to do with Climate.”

    But, of course, the e-mails show that EPA had already predetermined what it was going to do — “move forward on endangerment.” Which underscores the fact that the open public comment period was all for show. In her message to the public about the radical greenhouse gas rules, EPA administrator Lisa Jackson requested “comment on the data on which the proposed findings are based, the methodology used in obtaining and analyzing the data, and the major legal interpretations and policy considerations underlying the proposed findings.” Jackson, meet Carlin.

    The EPA now justifies the suppression of the study because economist Carlin (a 35-year veteran of the agency who also holds a B.S. in physics) “is an individual who is not a scientist.” Neither is Al Gore. Nor is energy czar Carol Browner. Nor is cap-and-trade shepherd Nancy Pelosi. Carlin’s analysis incorporated peer-reviewed studies and, as he informed his colleagues, “significant new research” related to the proposed endangerment finding. According to those who have seen his study, it spotlights EPA’s reliance on out-of-date research, uncritical recycling of United Nations data and omission of new developments, including a continued decline in global temperatures and a new consensus that future hurricane behavior won’t be different than in the past.

    But the message from his superiors was clear: La-la-la, we can’t hear you.

    In April, President Obama declared that “the days of science taking a back seat to ideology are over.” Another day, another broken promise. Will Carlin meet the same fate as inspectors general who have been fired or “retired” by the Obama administration for blowing the whistle and defying political orthodoxy? Or will he, too, be yet another casualty of the Hope and Change steamroller? The bodies are piling up.
  2. 29 Jun '09 18:34
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    I posted this article in another thread(cap and trade)but it is being avoided like the plague.
    Its worthy of discussion and deserves its own thread,me thinks.
    EPA’s Game of Global Warming Hide-and-Seek
    Michelle Malkin
    Friday, June 26, 2009 – Townhall.com

    The Obama administration doesn’t want to hear inconvenient truths about global warming. An ...[text shortened]... l he, too, be yet another casualty of the Hope and Change steamroller? The bodies are piling up.
    where are the obamanites? speak up and defend the anointed one.
  3. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    29 Jun '09 18:40
    Whoah! A Michelle Malkin article!
  4. 29 Jun '09 18:50
    Originally posted by FMF
    Whoah! A Michelle Malkin article!
    I know its not the upstanding al-jazeera but its one of many examples and despite being written by michelle malkin(whats the problem w/her?) it stands as proof that cap-trade is b.s. as well as proof obama is not the messiah but just another corrupt politician from chicago w/a radical agenda
  5. 29 Jun '09 19:59
    I was under the impression that the Obama Administration was going to be the most scientific administration ever. I put that one right up there with the current Democrat Congress being the most ethical ever.
  6. Standard member uzless
    The So Fist
    29 Jun '09 20:50
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    I posted this article in another thread(cap and trade)but it is being avoided like the plague.
    Its worthy of discussion and deserves its own thread,me thinks.
    what makes you think that by posting it again that anyone will give a rats ass what townhall.com thinks?
  7. Standard member uzless
    The So Fist
    29 Jun '09 20:55
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    I know its not the upstanding al-jazeera but its one of many examples and despite being written by michelle malkin(whats the problem w/her?) it stands as proof that cap-trade is b.s. as well as proof obama is not the messiah but just another corrupt politician from chicago w/a radical agenda
    why are you so dead set against believing what MOST scientists say? Why do you choose to believe the minority of scientists?

    Are you a scientist? Are you able to look at the data and determine for yourself what is going on in the atmosphere?

    If not, how come you choose to believe the side that says there is no problem instead of the side that says there is a problem?

    What do you base your decision on, if it is not a technical one? Do you just go by what "makes sense" to you???????? Some kind of "gut feeling"?????????

    You're not a scientist. Leave the decisions to the vast majority of experts.
  8. Standard member uzless
    The So Fist
    29 Jun '09 20:57 / 1 edit
    If 95 of the world's top 100 chefs said the best way to cook a steak was to follow recipe X, and 5 of the top chefs said the best way to cook a steak was to follow recipe Y, which recipe would you follow?
  9. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    29 Jun '09 21:10 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    I posted this article in another thread(cap and trade)but it is being avoided like the plague.
    Its worthy of discussion and deserves its own thread,me thinks.
    EPA’s Game of Global Warming Hide-and-Seek
    Michelle Malkin
    Friday, June 26, 2009 – Townhall.com

    The Obama administration doesn’t want to hear inconvenient truths about global warming. An ...[text shortened]... l he, too, be yet another casualty of the Hope and Change steamroller? The bodies are piling up.
    Not happy with the direction America is going?? I'll give you the same advise Republican lawmakers gave the Democrats when they were unhappy. " START WINNING ELECTIONS!"The American people have spoken...Deal with it!! ...and have a nice day
  10. Standard member menace71
    Can't win a game of
    29 Jun '09 21:29
    What seems idiotic to me is that from what I understand in the 70's they said Global cooling is the threat to man kind. Then Global warming! It's all political I believe. Trying to regulate the stuff we exhale! What a Joke! Al Gore what a joke!




    Manny
  11. 29 Jun '09 22:03
    Originally posted by uzless
    If 95 of the world's top 100 chefs said the best way to cook a steak was to follow recipe X, and 5 of the top chefs said the best way to cook a steak was to follow recipe Y, which recipe would you follow?
    If the 95 were being paid off to say x I would go with Y.
  12. 29 Jun '09 22:13
    Originally posted by uzless
    why are you so dead set against believing what MOST scientists say? Why do you choose to believe the minority of scientists?

    Are you a scientist? Are you able to look at the data and determine for yourself what is going on in the atmosphere?

    If not, how come you choose to believe the side that says there is no problem instead of the side that says the ...[text shortened]... "?????????

    You're not a scientist. Leave the decisions to the vast majority of experts.
    Are you a scientist? Do you know who Alan Carlin is? Are you sure 95% of scientist are in behind this junk science? Are you just going on a gut feeling? Maybe you are just eating up whatever you are spoon fed like a good little statist. Did you ever consider that maybe you are being lied to use less?
  13. 29 Jun '09 22:28
    Originally posted by bill718
    Not happy with the direction America is going?? I'll give you the same advise Republican lawmakers gave the Democrats when they were unhappy. " START WINNING ELECTIONS!"The American people have spoken...Deal with it!! ...and have a nice day
    It is not a republican or democrat thing. The american people have not spoken. When the american people have been lied to by the controlled media, then they have not spoken. In fact the american people do not even know the issues.
  14. 29 Jun '09 22:30
    Originally posted by uzless
    what makes you think that by posting it again that anyone will give a rats ass what townhall.com thinks?
    Here is one from heritage.org,use-less:

    Ever hear of Alan Carlin? Probably not, and that is the way the Obama Administration wants to keep it. Dr. Carlin is an Environmental Protection Agency veteran who recently wrote a damaging report, warning that the science behind climate change was questionable at best, and that we shouldn’t pass laws that will hurt American families and hobble the nation’s economy based on incomplete information.
    Despite its promise to put science above politics, the Administration has suppressed Carlin’s report, banned him from writing or speaking about climate change, told him to forget about attending any meetings that addressed his main job function—climate change—and gave him a new assignment: updating a grants database. One supposes that, by dedicating its distinguished scientists to data-entry tasks, Obama’s EPA is able to free up true-believing interns to do its research.
    Until recently, Dr. Carlin’s assignment was to research climate change issues for the agency. As part of this responsibility, he prepared a 98-page report earlier this year questioning the need for the agency to regulate CO2. His main argument—buttressed by citation after citation of peer-reviewed science—was that the agency’s earlier argument for regulating was based on incomplete science that ignored much more recent (and contrary) studies.
    EPA responded by burying the report. As for Dr. Carlin himself, he was put under a strict gag order by superiors. They forbade him from writing, speaking or e-mailing about global warming to anyone outside his group at EPA. Now that his comment has been leaked (available here), the truth can come out.
    We spoke to an embattled Dr. Carlin on the phone today, and, though he does fear losing his job because of his opinion, he has the strength of his beliefs. He told us that in 40 years of working for the government, he can’t remember any other time such pressure has been put on him. But you can hear in his voice that Dr. Carlin, who got his undergraduate degree in physics from CalTech and his PhD in economics from MIT, is not easily silenced.
    “I’ve been involved in public policy since 1966 or 1967,” he said. “There’s never been anything exactly like this. I am now under a gag order.”
    As for travel, “it’s been made abundantly clear that I was not to attend anything to do with climate change.” When he did attend a conference in Washington that was open to the public, he was reprimanded by a superior who told Dr. Carlin that he had “shown poor judgment” in daring to ask a question.
    He does maintain a good sense of humor. He told us he had just been interviewed on radio and that the reporter had said “we hear you’ve been fired” to which he responded, “I haven’t heard that myself, but your information may be better than mine.”
    That Dr. Carlin’s fate should befall any civil servant is frightening. It is doubly frightening when the person is a respected scientist who is simply trying to do his job when it is needed most. At the same time EPA is looking to regulate CO2 as a health hazard, Congress is considering an even more intrusive climate change bill based on many of the same erroneous and out-dated assumptions identified in Carlin’s report.
    House leadership ramrodded the Waxman-Markey bill through on Friday, with virtually no meaningful debate allowed. The Heritage Foundation estimates the legislation will inflict massive damage to a U.S. economy already on the ropes. It passed with only a seven vote margin. One wonders if it would have survived, if countervailing voices like Dr. Carlin had been allowed to be heard.
    The EPA gag order—made clear in the emails between Dr. Carlin and his superior (available here), also demonstrates that President Obama’s promise to put truth above politics has now been forgotten.
    You can read the comment that your government did not want you to see, all 98 pages of it, here. In the executive summary, on page V, he clearly refers to the supposed relationship between carbon dioxide and “greenhouse gases.”
    As of the best information I currently have, the GHG/CO2 hypothesis as to the cause of global warming, which this Draft TSD supports, is currently an invalid hypothesis from a scientific viewpoint because it fails a number of critical comparisons with available observable data. Any one of these failings should be enough to invalidate the hypothesis; the breadth of these failings leaves no other possible conclusion based on current data.
    If this comment was proven to be suppressed, it could force the EPA to dismiss the entire comment review period and start over.
    Dr. Carlin’s problems are far from unique. He is one of many who pay the price of Al Gore’s insistence that “the science is settled” on climate change, that we should no longer debate the issue. The media has happily gone along with this suppression. News reports present the questionable relationship between carbon dioxide and climate change as absolute fact. Skeptics are derided as “deniers” and are treated in the same way Galileo was by the Inquisition for suggesting the Earth revolved around the Sun. Today in President Obama’s America, a modern-day Galileo has been told to shut up and go away.
  15. 29 Jun '09 22:30
    Originally posted by menace71
    What seems idiotic to me is that from what I understand in the 70's they said Global cooling is the threat to man kind. Then Global warming! It's all political I believe. Trying to regulate the stuff we exhale! What a Joke! Al Gore what a joke!




    Manny
    Al gore tells kids in schools that they know more than parents do.