"by denying liberal principles, Zionism immediately becomes continuous with — rather than contradictory to — the anti-Semitic politics of the sort promoted by the alt-right…
insofar as Israel is concerned, every liberal Zionist has not just tolerated the denial of this minimum liberal standard, but avowed this denial as core to their innermost convictions. Whereas liberalism depends on the idea that states must remain neutral on matters of religion and race, Zionism consists in the idea that the State of Israel is not Israeli, but Jewish. As such, the country belongs first and foremost not to its citizens, but to the Jewish people — a group that’s defined by ethnic affiliation or religious conversion…"
The inherent tensions between Zionism and liberalism were similarly highlighted by a recent meeting between white nationalist leader Richard Spencer and a Texas rabbi, Matt Rosenberg. When the rabbi asked Spencer to pray with him for “love and inclusion”, Spencer replied:
Do you really want radical inclusion into the State of Israel? And by that I mean radical inclusion. Maybe all of the Middle East could go move in to Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. Would you really want that?
The rabbi could not answer. His bogus liberal credentials had been stripped from him. Boehm points out:
Opposition to the Palestinians’ “right of return” is a matter of consensus among left and right Zionists because also liberal Zionists insist that Israel has the right to ensure that Jews constitute the ethnic majority in their country. That’s the reason for which Rabbi Rosenberg could not answer Spencer.
Originally posted by whodeyYou know? The old testament is all about the Hebrews being punished for their behaviour.
Israel has two choices. They can either preserve their religious heritage or let them be absorbed by a Muslim government that can treat them as they like.
After leaving the ovens of Europe, I don't think that will go over to well, do you?
Originally posted by shavixmirGod help us all. Shav has read the Bible?
You know? The old testament is all about the Hebrews being punished for their behaviour.
Maybe rhe nazis were just another heavenly punishment, and that the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians is just another Godly fist-shag in the making...
Originally posted by vivifyThe jews need a one tiny patch of land where they are not threatened with extermination on a daily basis.
It's interesting that the right has traditional held a strong pro-Israeli bias, largely due to their own religious convictions; yet, this wave of right-wing controlled government has become a platform for outspoken anti-Semites.
However, if the alt-right promoted a state run by whites, that would draw some harsh backlash. Yet, Israel's drive to preserve ...[text shortened]... the U.S. has done since the Pilgrims, with the Native Americans being treated like Palestinians.
Originally posted by AshiitakaOr Poland? Or Russia? Or Ukraine? Or France? Or Romania? Or Italy?
The jews need a one tiny patch of land where they are not threatened with extermination on a daily basis.
This would have been so much easier if they had just given a piece of Germany to the Jews.
Originally posted by finneganGet with 2017 man!
Or Poland? Or Russia? Or Ukraine? Or France? Or Romania? Or Italy?
Or we could try the Danish approach - aka integration. They declined to allow the Nazis to oppress the Jews.
Let's stop threatening people with extermination on grounds of ethnicity, race, religion.
Originally posted by finneganHe's entirely wrong. Fascism is defined by the subjugation of the private market by the State. Mussolini didn't let business into government, he controlled business through government, instituting strict price controls and dividing the economy into 6 "corporazioni," with the heads of those directly appointed by himself.
In the USA you are not wrong.
Originally posted by blaze8492Who gets to define Fascism here?
He's entirely wrong. Fascism is defined by the subjugation of the private market by the State. Mussolini didn't let business into government, he controlled business through government, instituting strict price controls and dividing the economy into 6 "corporazioni," with the heads of those directly appointed by himself.
The US has had nothing in common with Fascism over the past 30 years.