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  1. 06 Oct '10 15:42
    Or are they? A Europol report shows that out of 1570 terrorist attacks in the period 2006-2008, a grand total of five were committed by muslim terrorists. Most terrorist attacks were due to seperatist movements such as ETA and the seperatist movement in Corsica.

    http://www.europol.europa.eu/publications/EU_Terrorism_Situation_and_Trend_Report_TE-SAT/TESAT2009.pdf
  2. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    06 Oct '10 16:12
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Or are they? A Europol report shows that out of 1570 terrorist attacks in the period 2006-2008, a grand total of five were committed by muslim terrorists. Most terrorist attacks were due to seperatist movements such as ETA and the seperatist movement in Corsica.

    http://www.europol.europa.eu/publications/EU_Terrorism_Situation_and_Trend_Report_TE-SAT/TESAT2009.pdf
    Who said that absurd and idiotic quote you lambaste by your OP?

    "ALL"???

    In any case, from the report:

    During 2008, 359 individuals were tried on terrorism charges in the member states in a total of 187 proceedings. Of 384 verdicts which were pronounced in 2008, 50 percent were related to Islamist terrorism, and 39 percent to separatist terrorism.


    50% is pretty high, considering the % of Muslims in Europe.

    Whatever. You can find numbers to show whatever you set out to show. That's a long report and there are lots of numbers. Selectively quoting one of them is not always that helpful.

    If your point is that Islamic extremism presents no significant terrorist threat, then I believe your point to be incorrect. If your point is that there are terrorist threats other than Islamic extremism, then I would agree; though I think it's a fairly obvious point.
  3. 06 Oct '10 16:16
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    "Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims."
    You wrote "Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims."
    You're wrong. History proves you wrong. There are terrorists in any religion.

    But if you wrote "Not all fundamentalists are terrorists, but all terrorists are fundamentalists .", I would agree with you more.

    Terrorist are always (?) recruited from groups of fundamentalists.
  4. 06 Oct '10 16:43 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    You wrote "Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims."
    You're wrong. History proves you wrong. There are terrorists in any religion.

    But if you wrote "Not all fundamentalists are terrorists, but all terrorists are fundamentalists .", I would agree with you more.

    Terrorist are always (?) recruited from groups of fundamentalists.
    or maybe not...

    German police in Hamburg and Berlin recently obtained permission to explore the hard drive on Mohammed Motassadeq's computer as part of the seemingly endless investigation into his links to the 9/11 hijackers. Rather than finding useful data on al-Qaeda, inspectors found a computer full of pornography retrieved from the Internet.

    http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/international_trade_politics/113526
  5. 06 Oct '10 17:09 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    or maybe not...

    German police in Hamburg and Berlin recently obtained permission to explore the hard drive on Mohammed Motassadeq's computer as part of the seemingly endless investigation into his links to the 9/11 hijackers. Rather than finding useful data on al-Qaeda, inspectors found a computer full of pornography retrieved from the Internet.

    http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/international_trade_politics/113526
    "or maybe not..." And by that you mean...?

    ...that germans harddisks are full with pornography? No..., really?

    My points are "Not all fundamentalists are terrorists, but all terrorists are fundamentalists" and "terrorists are recruited from fundamentalist groups of any religion".
  6. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    06 Oct '10 17:11
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    or maybe not...

    German police in Hamburg and Berlin recently obtained permission to explore the hard drive on Mohammed Motassadeq's computer as part of the seemingly endless investigation into his links to the 9/11 hijackers. Rather than finding useful data on al-Qaeda, inspectors found a computer full of pornography retrieved from the Internet.

    http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/international_trade_politics/113526
    Uh, Mel...

    Word to the wise.

    Fabian doesn't do subtle.
  7. 06 Oct '10 17:13
    Originally posted by sh76
    Who said that absurd and idiotic quote you lambaste by your OP?

    "ALL"???

    In any case, from the report:

    [quote]During 2008, 359 individuals were tried on terrorism charges in the member states in a total of 187 proceedings. Of 384 verdicts which were pronounced in 2008, 50 percent were related to Islamist terrorism, and 39 percent to separatist terrori ...[text shortened]... ther than Islamic extremism, then I would agree; though I think it's a fairly obvious point.
    the prototypical Tea Partier, boogeyman of all that is liberal.
  8. 06 Oct '10 17:13
    you know, the Tea Partier that Rolling Stones guy spent months studying.
  9. 06 Oct '10 17:37
    Originally posted by sh76
    Who said that absurd and idiotic quote you lambaste by your OP?

    "ALL"???

    In any case, from the report:

    [quote]During 2008, 359 individuals were tried on terrorism charges in the member states in a total of 187 proceedings. Of 384 verdicts which were pronounced in 2008, 50 percent were related to Islamist terrorism, and 39 percent to separatist terrori ...[text shortened]... ther than Islamic extremism, then I would agree; though I think it's a fairly obvious point.
    It could be that muslims simply get tried in court more because of public pressure to do so. Anyway, my point was not that muslim terrorism is no threat, but that it's greatly exaggerated.
  10. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    06 Oct '10 17:47
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    It could be that muslims simply get tried in court more because of public pressure to do so. Anyway, my point was not that muslim terrorism is no threat, but that it's greatly exaggerated.
    Perhaps. But I'd still be interested to know who made that initial statement.
  11. 06 Oct '10 17:50
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Or are they? A Europol report shows that out of 1570 terrorist attacks in the period 2006-2008, a grand total of five were committed by muslim terrorists. Most terrorist attacks were due to seperatist movements such as ETA and the seperatist movement in Corsica.

    http://www.europol.europa.eu/publications/EU_Terrorism_Situation_and_Trend_Report_TE-SAT/TESAT2009.pdf
    "The large majority of the attacks, i.e. 90 percent or
    441 attacks, were carried out successfully. The
    attacks were mostly arsons and bombings. Only
    10 percent of the attacks were claimed, while two
    thirds were attributed to a terrorist organisation."
  12. 06 Oct '10 17:50
    'We don't know WHICH terrorist organizations, as they rudely failed to call in to our offices, but we're sure they weren't Islamist.'
  13. 06 Oct '10 17:53
    Originally posted by sh76
    Perhaps. But I'd still be interested to know who made that initial statement.
    Various Tea Party type folks, google gives you 7220 hits.
  14. 06 Oct '10 18:09
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Various Tea Party type folks, google gives you 7220 hits.
    on the first 10 hits, one is claiming that (a journalist in India), one is asking why is it that all terrorists are Muslim (an 11th-grader in India), and one Norsk guy (Hagen) who qualified it by saying the Basque and NI conflicts were regional (indicating he meant all international terrorists were Muslim).

    the rest are articles wondering why people think all terrorists are Muslim when it ain't so.
  15. 06 Oct '10 18:09
    grist for the liberal propaganda mill.