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    20 May '16 00:011 edit
    http://www.infowars.com/pope-francis-likens-jesus-to-isis-says-muslims-migrants-must-breed-with-europeans/

    The Pope wishes Europeans to give up their Christian heritage and breed with Muslims. He also says that the free market needs to be eradicated, as if the two issues were related.
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    20 May '16 10:00
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://www.infowars.com/pope-francis-likens-jesus-to-isis-says-muslims-migrants-must-breed-with-europeans/

    The Pope wishes Europeans to give up their Christian heritage and breed with Muslims. He also says that the free market needs to be eradicated, as if the two issues were related.
    bwahaha, dumbass strikes again.

    what your article says: Pope Francis likened Jesus Christ to ISIS
    what he actually said: There are similarities between the ideas of conquest in both Quran and Bible and neither must necessarily be through violence.

    what your article said: Pope Francis wants to go back to communism which killed 20 million people.
    what he actually said: A completely free market economy leads to abuses, you need a third party to regulate it. a social market economy.


    you reek of stupidity and bias and so does your site.
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    20 May '16 11:052 edits
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    bwahaha, dumbass strikes again.

    what your article says: Pope Francis likened Jesus Christ to ISIS
    what he actually said: There are similarities between the ideas of conquest in both Quran and Bible and neither must necessarily be through violence.

    what your article said: Pope Francis wants to go back to communism which killed 20 million people.
    w ...[text shortened]... egulate it. a social market economy.


    you reek of stupidity and bias and so does your site.
    You conveniently left out this little bit.

    The Pope also said he “dreaded” hearing about the “Christian roots of Europe” because, to him, they take on “colonialist overtones” and he called on European nations to “integrate” Muslim migrants into the continent."

    I think the Pope would much prefer an Islamic Europe to a Christian one.

    As for comparing Jesus to ISIS, that has to be the straw that breaks the camels back in terms of showing the world just what the Pope is all about. There is no similarity to the teachings of Jesus in comparison to a group of thugs who burn their captives in cages or throw them into vats of nitric acid. or who crucify children on crosses, and who conquer with the sword. In fact, Jesus said that his kingdom is not of this world, which makes one wonder why the Pope is preaching the gospel of Marx instead of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

    The Pope is an apostate. In fact, I think you would make a better Pope.
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    20 May '16 12:05
    Originally posted by whodey
    You conveniently left out this little bit.

    The Pope also said he “dreaded” hearing about the “Christian roots of Europe” because, to him, they take on “colonialist overtones” and he called on European nations to “integrate” Muslim migrants into the continent."

    I think the Pope would much prefer an Islamic Europe to a Christian one.

    As for comparing J ...[text shortened]... pel of Jesus Christ.

    The Pope is an apostate. In fact, I think you would make a better Pope.
    "The Pope also said he “dreaded” hearing about the “Christian roots of Europe” because, to him, they take on “colonialist overtones” and he called on European nations to “integrate” Muslim migrants into the continent.""

    yes, europeans did missed up things when they were at their "christian roots"
    yes, integration is preferable to your xenophobia.

    "I think the Pope would much prefer an Islamic Europe to a Christian one."
    i think you shouldn't think so much. it gives everyone headaches.

    "As for comparing Jesus to ISIS,"
    he didn't compare jesus to isis, the article's title did, you colossal moron. you would get that if you actually read the article. he compared jesus to islam and only how "conquest", a very important term in islam, can be interpreted to also exist in christianity,
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    20 May '16 12:19
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    "The Pope also said he “dreaded” hearing about the “Christian roots of Europe” because, to him, they take on “colonialist overtones” and he called on European nations to “integrate” Muslim migrants into the continent.""

    yes, europeans did missed up things when they were at their "christian roots"
    yes, integration is preferable to your xenophobia.

    "I ...[text shortened]... ow "conquest", a very important term in islam, can be interpreted to also exist in christianity,
    Whodhead does have his ax to grind doesn't he.
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    20 May '16 12:46
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Whodhead does have his ax to grind doesn't he.
    when other people misrepresent articles, they pick long, complicated articles and you have to work hard to prove they misunderstood it or intentionally lied about what it said.

    whodey is such a simple creature that he only links based on the title. so just read the first sentence of the article and you will have all you need
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    20 May '16 13:021 edit
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    bwahaha, dumbass strikes again.

    what your article says: Pope Francis likened Jesus Christ to ISIS
    what he actually said: There are similarities between the ideas of conquest in both Quran and Bible and neither must necessarily be through violence.

    what your article said: Pope Francis wants to go back to communism which killed 20 million people.
    w ...[text shortened]... egulate it. a social market economy.


    you reek of stupidity and bias and so does your site.
    What he said was:

    === “Today, I don’t think that there is a fear of Islam as such but of ISIS and its war of conquest, which is partly drawn from Islam... It is true that the idea of conquest is inherent in the soul of Islam, however, it is also possible to interpret the objective in Matthew’s Gospel, where Jesus sends his disciples to all nations, in terms of the same idea of conquest.”===

    He is clearly saying that ISIS's war of conquest, which is drawn from Islam, is comparable to a similar Christian objective of conquest. He compared the Christian idea of conquest effected by Jesus to the Muslim idea of conquest espoused by ISIS. While I don't think his statement is necessarily wrong, I don't think that a statement that, in this regard, he compared Jesus to ISIS, is inherently unfair.

    I also don't understand why the phrase "Christian roots of Europe” takes on “colonialist overtones." Colonialism means invading and conquering, ruling or populating other people's societies. If Europe has a tradition of being Christian for the long term past (which it clearly does), then why would colonialism be necessary to establish Europe's Christian roots? Perhaps saying that South America or Africa has Christian traditions would have colonialist overtones. But Europe? How? I don't get it. Does saying that the Middle East has Muslim roots have colonialist overtones?

    You're right to criticize the communist allusion, though. He didn't say anything to that effect.
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    21 May '16 04:401 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    What he said was:

    === “Today, I don’t think that there is a fear of Islam as such but of ISIS and its war of conquest, which is partly drawn from Islam... It is true that the idea of conquest is inherent in the soul of Islam, however, it is also possible to interpret the objective in Matthew’s Gospel, where Jesus sends his disciples to all nations, in terms ...[text shortened]... You're right to criticize the communist allusion, though. He didn't say anything to that effect.
    It took about a thousand years to Christianize Europe and it was done largely by forced conversions and warfare. And Christianity's roots do not lie in Europe. So the Pope's statement is historically accurate.

    Rather than rely on the Infowars version, you can read the full interview here:

    http://www.la-croix.com/Religion/Pape/INTERVIEW-Pope-Francis-2016-05-17-1200760633

    Needless to say the spin whodey throws on it is absolute contemptible BS.
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    21 May '16 08:39
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    It took about a thousand years to Christianize Europe and it was done largely by forced conversions and warfare. And Christianity's roots do not lie in Europe. So the Pope's statement is historically accurate.

    Rather than rely on the Infowars version, you can read the full interview here:

    http://www.la-croix.com/Religion/Pape/INTERVIEW-Pope-Francis ...[text shortened]... 16-05-17-1200760633

    Needless to say the spin whodey throws on it is absolute contemptible BS.
    It's true that forced conversions and warfare played a major role (some examples are the Saxons and the Baltics) but so did politics and the Pope played a major role in it. Francis gives one example of the "barbarians" (Goths) who founded a kingdom in Italy and converted to Christianity, forming an alliance with the Pope. I think what the Pope is trying to say between the lines is that when Muslims and Christians live together peacefully it is also much easier for Christians to convert their Muslim neighbours.
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    21 May '16 13:11
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    "The Pope also said he “dreaded” hearing about the “Christian roots of Europe” because, to him, they take on “colonialist overtones” and he called on European nations to “integrate” Muslim migrants into the continent.""

    yes, europeans did missed up things when they were at their "christian roots"
    yes, integration is preferable to your xenophobia.

    "I ...[text shortened]... ow "conquest", a very important term in islam, can be interpreted to also exist in christianity,
    Apparently you can't read. Here is what the Poop said.

    “It is true that the idea of conquest is inherent in the soul of Islam, however, it is also possible to interpret the objective in Matthew’s Gospel, where Jesus sends his disciples to all nations, in terms of the same idea of conquest.”

    He just compared groups like ISIS to Jesus Christ, much like Dims comparing Trump to Hitler and Cruz to Satan himself.

    Halfwits like yourself just eat this up.
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    21 May '16 13:17
    Originally posted by whodey
    Apparently you can't read. Here is what the Poop said.

    “It is true that the idea of conquest is inherent in the soul of Islam, however, it is also possible to interpret the objective in Matthew’s Gospel, where Jesus sends his disciples to all nations, in terms of the same idea of conquest.”

    He just compared groups like ISIS to Jesus Christ, much like ...[text shortened]... omparing Drumpf to Hitler and Cruz to Satan himself.

    Halfwits like yourself just eat this up.
    in your quote there is absolutely no mention of isis. yet you insist on your idiotic opinion
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    21 May '16 13:19
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    It took about a thousand years to Christianize Europe and it was done largely by forced conversions and warfare. And Christianity's roots do not lie in Europe. So the Pope's statement is historically accurate.

    Rather than rely on the Infowars version, you can read the full interview here:

    http://www.la-croix.com/Religion/Pape/INTERVIEW-Pope-Francis ...[text shortened]... 16-05-17-1200760633

    Needless to say the spin whodey throws on it is absolute contemptible BS.
    Christianity was hijacked by collectivists like yourself. Collectivism is the force by which you build military machines and impose tyrannical laws to impose upon people. They then hunted down Jews and killed them.

    However, Jesus gave us no such commands and said that his kingdom was not of this world and made no attempt to form an army or government. The reason collectivists like yourself were so successful in usurping the Christian religion at that time was that people were largely ignorant and could not read nor had access to a Bible. Ironically, you still operate through usurpation and rely on the ignorance of people to continue to function, and now are using the Pope to do your dirty work once again.

    As for Islam, they are incapable of separating politics and religion. For them, lopping off heads and killing Jews in the streets are much more in line with their spiritual mentor Mohammad who actually did those things and who promoted such activity through his speech. In fact, I could not think of a more morally repugnant individual as Mohammad who even married a 6 year old girl.
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    21 May '16 13:202 edits
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    in your quote there is absolutely no mention of isis. yet you insist on your idiotic opinion
    He compared the conquest of Islam to possibly reflecting the teachings of Jesus. ISIS is one such group.

    This is absurd.

    Instead, he should call out Mohammad as an apostate because he denied Jesus as being the Messiah and should decry his atrocities and murders and rapes for what they were and decry groups like ISIS who continue his work.

    But that would be politically incorrect. Instead, he tries to degrade Christ to the levels of Mohammad. Disgusting.

    The Pope is no representative of Jesus Christ, that much is for sure.
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    21 May '16 13:23
    Originally posted by whodey
    He compared the conquest of Islam to possibly reflecting the teachings of Jesus. ISIS is one such group.

    This is absurd.

    Instead, he should call out Mohammad as an apostate because he denied Jesus as being the Messiah and should decry his atrocities and murders and rapes for what they were and decry groups like ISIS who continue his work.

    But that w ...[text shortened]... itically incorrect. Instead, he tries to degrade Christ to the levels of Mohammad. Disgusting.
    "He compared the conquest of Islam to possibly reflecting the teachings of Jesus. ISIS is one such group."
    no it isn't. isis is a terrorist group. just like the KKK aren't a christian group they are a hate group.
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    21 May '16 13:31
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    "He compared the conquest of Islam to possibly reflecting the teachings of Jesus. ISIS is one such group."
    no it isn't. isis is a terrorist group. just like the KKK aren't a christian group they are a hate group.
    If Jesus burned crosses and hung black folk much like Mohammad murdered with the sword and raped women and committed pedophilia then the two might be comparable.

    But alas, half wits can't see this.
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