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  1. 09 Jun '13 14:51 / 3 edits
    Here's two stories from around the Globe;

    Panthera (not to be confused with pantera) Has an action campaign in India to protect tigers and educate local communities on how to live with them.
    http://www.panthera.org/programs/tiger/tigers-forever

    Meanwhile in Derby local Badger populations are running amok amongst cattle, there is going to be a badger cull!
    http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/Badger-cull-unmitigated-failure-warns-Labour-MP/story-19225024-detail/story.html#axzz2VjKUFFgo

    So... which do you support?
  2. Standard member vivify
    rain
    09 Jun '13 17:46 / 1 edit
    As far as I know, tiger populations have declined to where they're in danger of extinction. However, I think we could slaughter badgers for a while, and there will still be a good many left.
  3. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    09 Jun '13 17:51
    Hire tigers to kill the badgers
  4. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    09 Jun '13 22:19
    Originally posted by e4chris
    Meanwhile in Derby local Badger populations are running amok ..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvVsAGf0DPk
  5. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    09 Jun '13 22:24 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvVsAGf0DPk
    http://weebls-stuff.com/songs/badgers/

    EDIT The dude in your clip is dressed like Homestar Runner
  6. 10 Jun '13 01:05
    Originally posted by e4chris
    Here's two stories from around the Globe;

    Panthera (not to be confused with pantera) Has an action campaign in India to protect tigers and educate local communities on how to live with them.
    http://www.panthera.org/programs/tiger/tigers-forever

    Meanwhile in Derby local Badger populations are running amok amongst cattle, there is going to be a badger c ...[text shortened]... e-warns-Labour-MP/story-19225024-detail/story.html#axzz2VjKUFFgo

    So... which do you support?
    Bovine TB in Badgers? Aren't Badgers more closely related to rats than cows? Bovine TB, was a serious problem in Michigan, USA for a few years among deer herds. It was thought to be transmitted at common feeding sites, such as hunter's bait piles. Baiting and feeding was banned in some areas where TB was prevalent, and the problem abated.

    Culling doesn't seem an appropriate remedy. How do you know you are taking out the infected animals, that is until they start to fall down dead from the disease, and then culling isn't really needed is it.

    The bovine TB would appear to be a convenient excuse to cut down a nuisance species to manageable levels. A big difference is that badgers may be a nuisance, but they don't generally kill and eat humans as tigers may.
  7. 10 Jun '13 01:10
    Originally posted by e4chris
    Here's two stories from around the Globe;

    Panthera (not to be confused with pantera) Has an action campaign in India to protect tigers and educate local communities on how to live with them.
    http://www.panthera.org/programs/tiger/tigers-forever

    Meanwhile in Derby local Badger populations are running amok amongst cattle, there is going to be a badger c ...[text shortened]... e-warns-Labour-MP/story-19225024-detail/story.html#axzz2VjKUFFgo

    So... which do you support?
    Tigers are a remarkable species, having much in common with the familiar tabby many of us have as pets, differing mainly in size and strength, and the amount of cat food they consume. They don't mix well with humans, or make cuddly pets.
  8. 10 Jun '13 03:45
    can't they leave food out for the badgers? - to divert them away from the cows ... some chips would do...
  9. 10 Jun '13 10:11
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Bovine TB in Badgers? Aren't Badgers more closely related to rats than cows? Bovine TB, was a serious problem in Michigan, USA for a few years among deer herds. It was thought to be transmitted at common feeding sites, such as hunter's bait piles. Baiting and feeding was banned in some areas where TB was prevalent, and the problem abated.

    Culling d ...[text shortened]... that badgers may be a nuisance, but they don't generally kill and eat humans as tigers may.
    It seems a harsh way of dealing with it. Also you can hardly call them dangerous animals, they are quite clever animals, plus one of the only ones we have left here! - I think they should try and be nice and divert them away from deer / cows.
  10. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    10 Jun '13 14:31
    Originally posted by e4chris
    can't they leave food out for the badgers? - to divert them away from the cows ... some chips would do...
    Badgers have this remarkable capability to turn food into more badgers.
  11. 10 Jun '13 16:31
    Originally posted by e4chris
    It seems a harsh way of dealing with it. Also you can hardly call them dangerous animals, they are quite clever animals, plus one of the only ones we have left here! - I think they should try and be nice and divert them away from deer / cows.
    Most animal species are kept in balance by the predation of other species.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badger

    Badgers are omnivorous, so they might well feed along with cattle or deer, and contract bovine TB. Random culling seems to be a poor program for dealing with the disease.

    I spent four years in Cleveland, aka Forest City. On the east side, land is pretty level going north from Lake Erie, until you hit a 200 to 300 foot rise which was largely unbuildable, and remains forested. It houses lots of wildlife including lots of skunks, another member of the weasel family. It is quite common for people to come home and be surprised by a skunk preventing their entry to their home. I don't know of any good way of diverting critters like weasels that are very good scavengers.
  12. 10 Jun '13 21:35
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Most animal species are kept in balance by the predation of other species.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badger

    Badgers are omnivorous, so they might well feed along with cattle or deer, and contract bovine TB. Random culling seems to be a poor program for dealing with the disease.

    I spent four years in Cleveland, aka Forest City. On the east s ...[text shortened]... I don't know of any good way of diverting critters like weasels that are very good scavengers.
    Most animals that thrive in the UK are kept in harmony with ... chips

    Seriously, we have seagulls, rats, pigeons, foxes - a lot in London now, living of dustbins and badgers, that's it!

    Feeding badgers to keep them away from cattle makes perfect sense, there's no point killing them - most people would be pleased to see one.
  13. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    10 Jun '13 21:40 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by e4chris
    Most animals that thrive in the UK are kept in harmony with ... chips

    Seriously, we have seagulls, rats, pigeons, foxes - a lot in London now, living of dustbins and badgers, that's it!

    Feeding badgers to keep them away from cattle makes perfect sense, there's no point killing them - most people would be pleased to see one.
    There are still plenty of seagulls still out at sea though. Dustbins don't remove the animals they just add to the population.

    Remember, most of them are what some might call "breeders"...
  14. 11 Jun '13 08:06
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    There are still plenty of seagulls still out at sea though. Dustbins don't remove the animals they just add to the population.

    Remember, most of them are what some might call "breeders"...
    Foxes live in London now with no predators - and I don't think anyone controls there breeding other then the amount of food the can scavenge.

    the original point I was making is we lecture other countries on there wildlife but have little respect for our own.
  15. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    11 Jun '13 17:56
    Originally posted by e4chris
    Foxes live in London now with no predators - and I don't think anyone controls there breeding other then the amount of food the can scavenge.

    the original point I was making is we lecture other countries on there wildlife but have little respect for our own.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_endangered_species_in_the_British_Isles