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    04 May '17 12:53
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/house-oversight-chair-suggests-congress-051404205.html

    Apparently Obama is making $400,000 speeches. Now there is talk of Congress limiting his pension amount.

    Is this a good thing?
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    04 May '17 13:00
    Originally posted by whodey
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/house-oversight-chair-suggests-congress-051404205.html

    Apparently Obama is making $400,000 speeches. Now there is talk of Congress limiting his pension amount.

    Is this a good thing?
    Surely a pension should have nothing whatsoever to do with whatever work you choose to do after the job? Its fine if they change the official presidential pension on reasonable grounds, but it must be consistent and apply to all presidents equally. The presidency isn't like other jobs where you sign a contract before the job and judge the salary and pension in advance, so I can understand some rules being different. With a normal job, I would not expect any pension agreement to be adjusted downwards after I retire.
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    04 May '17 13:021 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/house-oversight-chair-suggests-congress-051404205.html

    Apparently Obama is making $400,000 speeches. Now there is talk of Congress limiting his pension amount.

    Is this a good thing?
    If as the article says, Obama vetoed the bill, then it got to his desk and it can get to Trump's.
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    04 May '17 13:05
    Originally posted by JS357
    If as the article says, Obama vetoed the bill, then it got to his desk and it can get to Trump's
    http://freebeacon.com/politics/wasserman-schultz-obama-payout-none-business/

    Dims like the former head of the DNC, says that Obama's salary is no ones business.

    Do you agree?
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    04 May '17 13:05
    Originally posted by whodey
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/house-oversight-chair-suggests-congress-051404205.html

    Apparently Obama is making $400,000 speeches. Now there is talk of Congress limiting his pension amount.

    Is this a good thing?
    No, it's moronic.
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    04 May '17 13:08
    Originally posted by quackquack
    No, it's moronic.
    It is interesting that Dims are typically the salary police. Either someone is making too much or not enough, until it comes down to what they make.

    Now the GOP has assumed the role of salary police

    Hilarious.
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    04 May '17 13:30
    Originally posted by whodey
    It is interesting that Dims are typically the salary police. Either someone is making too much or not enough, until it comes down to what they make.

    Now the GOP has assumed the role of salary police

    Hilarious.
    Hilarious is that you think this should rank in the top 1000 stupid things the GOP has done recently.
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    04 May '17 14:07
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://freebeacon.com/politics/wasserman-schultz-obama-payout-none-business/

    Dims like the former head of the DNC, says that Obama's salary is no ones business.

    Do you agree?
    Commitments made between employers and employees should be honored.

    Any effect that his post-presidential earnings may have on his government pension should have been covered under an employment agreement. Maybe it was.

    The power to retroactively alter the pension should have been disclosed at the beginning. Maybe it was.

    Just like any other employer/employee relationship..
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    04 May '17 15:24
    Originally posted by whodey
    It is interesting that Dims are typically the salary police. Either someone is making too much or not enough, until it comes down to what they make.

    Now the GOP has assumed the role of salary police

    Hilarious.
    You are a certified idiot. You just ask the question when you already have a firm opinion. So just say it, don't be a frigging coward about it. Just say you hate Obama and want his pension. Go on, you can do it, any idiot can.
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    04 May '17 22:111 edit
    Originally posted by JS357
    If as the article says, Obama vetoed the bill, then it got to his desk and it can get to Trump's.
    But that $400,000 could quickly disappear under the proposed law, which cuts the pension and expense payments by a dollar for every dollar that a former president earns above $400,000. So taxpayers are off the hook entirely once a president earns $800,000 a year.
    Given that most former presidents can earn significant incomes from speeches and writing books, it's very possible that the taxpayer support of former executives could become a thing of the past.
    But Obama vetoed the legislation, telling Congress that he did so because the bill also would have terminated the salaries and benefits of former presidents' staff, and made it harder for the Secret Service to protect former presidents.
    "If the Congress returns the bill having appropriately addressed these concerns, I will sign it," he said. But the legislation never got back to his desk.

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/20/news/obama-pension/

    I don't have a problem adjusting the ex-President's pension in this manner. The law wouldn't diminish his pension one dollar until his earns an annual income in the top 1% and about 8 times what the median household muddles through on.

    EDIT: Of course, to be equitable the same rule should be applied to Congressional pensions.
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    05 May '17 08:33
    Originally posted by whodey
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/house-oversight-chair-suggests-congress-051404205.html

    Apparently Obama is making $400,000 speeches. Now there is talk of Congress limiting his pension amount.

    Is this a good thing?
    so obama must be the first black president AND the first to not make money after he was president? while you have the first orange president that shamelessly makes money WHILE still being president in the first 100 days of his office no less.


    how about you go suck an onion.
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    05 May '17 08:51
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    so obama must be the first black president AND the first to not make money after he was president? while you have the first orange president that shamelessly makes money WHILE still being president in the first 100 days of his office no less.


    how about you go suck an onion.
    I couldn't have said it better myself.
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    05 May '17 10:07
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    so obama must be the first black president AND the first to not make money after he was president? while you have the first orange president that shamelessly makes money WHILE still being president in the first 100 days of his office no less.


    how about you go suck an onion.
    At what point does "making money" become shameful in your humble opinion?
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    05 May '17 10:10
    Originally posted by whodey
    At what point does "making money" become shameful in your humble opinion?
    Then why are you even bringing this BS subject up about Obama?
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    05 May '17 12:20
    Originally posted by whodey
    At what point does "making money" become shameful in your humble opinion?
    be more vague and off point
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