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  1. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    06 Sep '09 03:21
    I admit, I didn't know much about this guy until I watched this:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/09/04/obama_green_czar_van_jones_us_was_apartheid_regime.html

    Does the President vet his czars? I mean, court jester, sure, but "Green Czar?" Might as well appoint Jerry Falwell as science czar.

    As an aside, where are the separation of church and state people on this guy? Jesus Christ this, Armageddon (coming wars and conflicts) that. Get this guy a spot in the circus and tell him to stay out of our policy-making.

    Of course, as I'd have expected, the "MSM" silence on this issue is deafening.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/The-Van-Jones-non-feeding-non-frenzy-57271402.html
  2. 06 Sep '09 06:53 / 2 edits
    He's right! The one hundred million self-identified social democrats in Europe are all in therapy now.

    Haha, this guy is almost as hilarious as Dutch Racist Party MPs. Spiritual blah blah.

    He's pretty on target with the apartheid comment though.
  3. 06 Sep '09 11:13
    Originally posted by sh76
    I admit, I didn't know much about this guy until I watched this:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/09/04/obama_green_czar_van_jones_us_was_apartheid_regime.html

    Does the President vet his czars? I mean, court jester, sure, but "Green Czar?" Might as well appoint Jerry Falwell as science czar.

    As an aside, where are the separation of church an ...[text shortened]... .com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/The-Van-Jones-non-feeding-non-frenzy-57271402.html
    Just one more example of how they plan on bringing about a dictatorship and using the green movement as one of the tools. Mainstream media would like to have kept it low key. All important issues are kept out of the mainstream media as much as possible. Our world to us is how they want us to percieve it. Government now creates a crisis so then it can be the solution of the crisis. Nearly everything on the news is smoke and mirrors. Van Jones will be a valuable asset to the Obama administration and their progressive movement.
  4. 06 Sep '09 11:36
    Originally posted by sh76
    Get this guy a spot in the circus and tell him to stay out of our policy-making.
    Er...um....this guy is not electable and not answerable to Congress. In short, if you don't want him making policies go complain to king Obama. Good luck with that.
  5. 06 Sep '09 11:40 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Haha, this guy is almost as hilarious as Dutch Racist Party MPs. Spiritual blah blah.
    You touch on something very true here. This whole "green" movement is a religion of sorts. It is a belief that the goddess mother earth is being destroyed by mankind. We must, therefore, make economic sacrifices to her in order to preserve her. This means cutting down on economic policies that promote growth and production. To do this, ultimately the demon we call capitalism must be excercised out of the populace. They must be led to believe that, although it has worked for the first 200 years in America, it can work no more!! In fact, it is the source of all our woes. Of course, to make up for the lack of jobs and high paying jobs we must have big brother slowly take over the reigns in order to take care of the masses since they will increasingly not be able to take care of themselves.
  6. 06 Sep '09 12:38
    Take your paranoia elsewhere. Obama is the leader of a moderate right-wing conservative party and nothing in his policies suggests anything remotely "radical", "left-wing" or "green" for that matter.
  7. 06 Sep '09 13:22
    This Just In..........Van Jones just got ousted and is now looking for a new job.

    That didn't take long, did it?
  8. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    06 Sep '09 13:24
    Well, it's kind of moot now, I guess.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090906/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_adviser_resigns

    White House environmental adviser Van Jones, embroiled in a controversy over past inflammatory statements, resigned after what he called a "vicious smear campaign against me."

    Uh, Van, buddy, there was no need for anyone to launch a smear campaign against you. You did it to yourself with your own mouth. Good luck at your next job... probably either clown or minister.
  9. 06 Sep '09 14:11
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Take your paranoia elsewhere. Obama is the leader of a moderate right-wing conservative party and nothing in his policies suggests anything remotely "radical", "left-wing" or "green" for that matter.
    "Take your paranoia elsewhere. Obama is the leader of a moderate right-wing conservative party and nothing in his policies suggests anything remotely "radical", "left-wing" or "green" for that matter."

    You would do best just to remain silent,unless you enjoy sounding so foolish.
  10. 06 Sep '09 14:22
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    [b]"Take your paranoia elsewhere. Obama is the leader of a moderate right-wing conservative party and nothing in his policies suggests anything remotely "radical", "left-wing" or "green" for that matter."

    You would do best just to remain silent,unless you enjoy sounding so foolish.[/b]
    Okay, give me an example of a typical radical left-wing policy engineered by Obama.
  11. 06 Sep '09 15:20
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Okay, give me an example of a typical radical left-wing policy engineered by Obama.
    Obama is a politician. For example, when confronted with questions about his radical left wing minister Reverend Wright, he kicked him to the curb. Likewise, when he was taking too much heat for his radical left wing appointee, the same result. The question then becomes, why does he surround himself with such radical left winged loonies? It could be to pander to the radical left wing element in the democratic party or it could be a reflection of his own inner beliefs and an indication as to where he would like to take the country. Now if it is the later, he knows that too much change to fast in a radical direction would be suicide. At least, you would think he would have learned his lesson by now from taking heat from passing his stimulus package in the middle of the night as soon as he became president and the way he tried to do the same with health care. The statist must be patient and make changes incrementally if he is to be successful. Once again, too much too soon is a recipe for disaster come 2012.
  12. 06 Sep '09 15:27
    Originally posted by whodey
    Obama is a politician. For example, when confronted with questions about his radical left wing minister Reverend Wright, he kicked him to the curb. Likewise, when he was taking too much heat for his radical left wing appointee, the same result. The question then becomes, why does he surround himself with such radical left winged loonies? It could be to pa ...[text shortened]... ly if he is to be successful. Once again, too much too soon is a recipe for disaster come 2012.
    How about that example?
  13. 06 Sep '09 15:27
    I heard on the radio he has resigned already.
  14. 06 Sep '09 15:35 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    How about that example?
    What policies of Obama are left wing or radical or green? How about the fact that he bailed out corporations and made them a quasi-governmnetal corporation? How about the health care plan in the works that mirrors many socialist countries? How about his ardent support of cap and trade?

    Of course, many would not see these as radical policies because most of it has been applied in socialist countries in Europe, but the fact of the matter is that his policies give government increasing power over our lives. In fact, he now has an army of czars on the payroll. His policies mirror a statist philosophy that more government equals more good. It is just counterinvuitive to many Americans who do not have the same perspective
  15. 06 Sep '09 15:39
    Originally posted by whodey
    What policies of Obama are left wing or radical or green? How about the fact that he bailed out corporations and made them a quasi-governmnetal corporation? How about the health care plan in the works that mirrors many socialist countries? How about his ardent support of cap and trade?

    Of course, many would not see these as radical policies because most ...[text shortened]... overnment increasing power over our lives. In fact, he now has an army of czars on the payroll.
    Bush bailed out corporations. Every rich industrialized country - including the relatively right wing ones - except for the USA has some form of government funded or regulated health care. Cap and trade is a policy with minor significance to everyone but you.

    So, how about that example?