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    16 Aug '17 13:23
    Anyone?
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    16 Aug '17 14:01
    Originally posted by @whodey
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    Any wrong-think afflicted white person.
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    16 Aug '17 14:12
    Originally posted by @sleepyguy
    Any wrong-think afflicted white person.
    So it's only use as a term is to be derogatory towards that person.

    That's pretty much my take as well. The term is hate term and otherwise meaningless.

    However, it is hate against whitey so I think we can keep it.
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    16 Aug '17 14:421 edit
    Originally posted by @whodey
    So it's only use as a term is to be derogatory towards that person.

    That's pretty much my take as well. The term is hate term and otherwise meaningless.

    However, it is hate against whitey so I think we can keep it.
    Don't you have Google? Or an alternative search engine [geddit??]? Or a history of Fascism on your shelves?
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    16 Aug '17 14:563 edits
    Originally posted by @whodey
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    My working definition would be the group of people who espouse the extreme view that they are victims of government conspiracies to put them down in order to kowtow to minority groups and that the government is controlled by leftists or blacks or Jews or <insert your own group> whose principal goal is to oppress them and their ilk. It's mostly white people, of course.

    I think of Tim McVeigh as the prime example of alt-right. Angry at the government, paranoid of minorities.

    Racial separatists have a strong overlap with alt-right, but they're not quote the same thing.

    Edit: To channel the great Jeff Foxworthy, if you:

    - Think the government is out to get you
    - Want to stockpile military grade weapons caches to stop the government from coming for you
    - Think that minorities control the government
    - Think that huge groups of minorities are engaging in systemic efforts to oppress you
    - Think a race war is coming and are preparing for it...

    ... you might be alt-right.
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    16 Aug '17 15:01
    Originally posted by @whodey
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    It is a euphemism for what previously was known as fascists or neo-Nazis.
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    16 Aug '17 15:131 edit
    Originally posted by @sh76
    My working definition would be the group of people who espouse the extreme view that they are victims of government conspiracies to put them down in order to kowtow to minority groups and that the government is controlled by leftists or blacks or Jews or <insert your own group> whose principal goal is to oppress them and their ilk. It's mostly white people, of ...[text shortened]... ss you
    - Think a race war is coming and are preparing for it...

    ... you might be alt-right.
    So right radical extremist is just a synonym but somehow that does not answer the question.

    Does one have to be:

    1. A racist
    2. Hate government and think they are out to get us?
    3. Want a race war?

    To be Alt Right?

    It is interesting to me that the term "neo-Nazi" is used. After all, the term Nazi refers to socialists. Should Bernie Sanders then be deemed a neo-Nazi? I bet Bernie thinks that Trump is out to get us in some form or fashion. Why didn't they call his supporter who gunned down GOP Congressmen and neo-Nazi? I even bet the guy thought that shooting "white" conservatives was a noble thing. If so, would he also be a racist?
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    16 Aug '17 15:24
    Originally posted by @whodey
    So right radical extremist is just a synonym but somehow that does not answer the question.

    Does one have to be:

    1. A racist
    2. Hate government and think they are out to get us?
    3. Want a race war?

    To be Alt Right?

    It is interesting to me that the term "neo-Nazi" is used. After all, the term Nazi refers to socialists. Should Bernie Sanders ...[text shortened]... hought that shooting "white" conservatives was a noble thing. If so, would he also be a racist?
    1. A racist

    === Not necessarily

    2. Hate government and think they are out to get us?

    === This is strongly associated with the alt-right

    3. Want a race war?

    === Not necessarily, but much of the alt-right think a race war is inevitable.

    I'm sure many of the others will treat your past paragraph with derision, but I'm going to try to go the educational route. Even the German Nazis of the 1920s and 30s were not really socialists, but in modern contexts, the term "Nazi" has no relevance to economic policy. It's used exclusively to connote social policy and racial attitude.
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    16 Aug '17 16:32
    Originally posted by @sh76
    Even the German Nazis of the 1920s and 30s were not really socialists, but in modern contexts, the term "Nazi" has no relevance to economic policy. .
    What the hell do you mean?
    The German Nazis were the opposite of socialists.
    Socialism = the producing classes have control over production and distribution.

    You Americans with your completely mad views on history!
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    16 Aug '17 17:261 edit
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    What the hell do you mean?
    The German Nazis were the opposite of socialists.
    Socialism = the producing classes have control over production and distribution.

    You Americans with your completely mad views on history!
    As I'm sure you know, the word Nazi comes from "national socialist,"

    When I said not "really" socialists, I meant that, while they claimed to be socialists, they weren't *really* socialists.

    As in, when someone claims to be something but is not something, you might say "She claims to be X but is not *really* X."

    ===You Americans with your completely mad views on history!===

    I could say something about "you Europeans" and your reading comprehension, but that wouldn't be very nice.
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    16 Aug '17 17:32
    Originally posted by @sh76
    1. A racist

    === Not necessarily

    2. Hate government and think they are out to get us?

    === This is strongly associated with the alt-right

    3. Want a race war?

    === Not necessarily, but much of the alt-right think a race war is inevitable.

    I'm sure many of the others will treat your past paragraph with derision, but I'm going to try to go the e ...[text shortened]... elevance to economic policy. It's used exclusively to connote social policy and racial attitude.
    "Not necessarily"
    thinking that minorities of a different race control the government for some nefarious reason and hating them for it is not racist? you're funny
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    16 Aug '17 17:39
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    What the hell do you mean?
    The German Nazis were the opposite of socialists.
    Socialism = the producing classes have control over production and distribution.

    You Americans with your completely mad views on history!
    Hitler did not have control over production and distribution?

    LOL. Do you really believe that? 😵

    I can just picture him wanting to be an absolute dictator over everything and everyone EXCEPT those who control production.
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    16 Aug '17 17:404 edits
    Originally posted by @sh76
    As I'm sure you know, the word Nazi comes from "national socialist,"

    When I said not "really" socialists, I meant that, while they claimed to be socialists, they weren't *really* socialists.

    As in, when someone claims to be something but is not something, you might say "She claims to be X but is not *really* X."

    ===You Americans with your completely m ...[text shortened]... something about "you Europeans" and your reading comprehension, but that wouldn't be very nice.
    So you are in the camp that says that Hitler was not a true socialist because he did not dictate his will to industry cuz he did not own them by name?

    I suppose you think the Fed is also private, eh?

    This is nothing but semantics as people sling around more useless terms to distort the truth.
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    16 Aug '17 17:59
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Hitler did not have control over production and distribution?

    LOL. Do you really believe that? 😵

    I can just picture him wanting to be an absolute dictator over everything and everyone EXCEPT those who control production.
    Really? Is that what you read?

    A dictatorship can never be socialist. End of.

    Just like an Earthling can't come from Jupiter.
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    16 Aug '17 18:01
    Originally posted by @sh76
    As I'm sure you know, the word Nazi comes from "national socialist,"

    When I said not "really" socialists, I meant that, while they claimed to be socialists, they weren't *really* socialists.

    As in, when someone claims to be something but is not something, you might say "She claims to be X but is not *really* X."

    ===You Americans with your completely m ...[text shortened]... something about "you Europeans" and your reading comprehension, but that wouldn't be very nice.
    Ah! See! It was the way you phrased "really" in that sentence.

    I assumed it to mean: nearly, not quite.

    We invented the modern world. Europe is per definition the best place in the world and always correct.
    Well... with a few notable exceptions...
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