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    If he is Canadian?
  2. Standard memberRJHinds
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    01 Dec '15 05:10
    Originally posted by whodey
    If he is Canadian?
    Because Obama was born in Kenya and set a precedent by becoming President.

    Kenya: Authorities Release Barack Obama’s “Real” Birth Certificate

    The Office of the Principal Register of the Nyanza Province, in Kenya, has finally released 11 exclusive documents concerning Barack Obama’s alleged birth and early childhood in the country. These official papers had been requested for years by the Tea Party Patriots, an American conservative organization, to no avail, but the Kenyan Supreme Court recently ordered authorities to release the documents, based on a law on “access to information. These files, if they turn out to be verifiable, could mean that Mr. Obama had no legal right to become the American president under the country’s law.

    http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/kenya-authorities-release-barack-obamas-real-birth-certificate/
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    01 Dec '15 12:01
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Because Obama was born in Kenya and set a precedent by becoming President.

    [b]Kenya: Authorities Release Barack Obama’s “Real” Birth Certificate


    The Office of the Principal Register of the Nyanza Province, in Kenya, has finally released 11 exclusive documents concerning Barack Obama’s alleged birth and early childhood in the country. These official ...[text shortened]...
    http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/kenya-authorities-release-barack-obamas-real-birth-certificate/[/b]
    Don't give me that RJ. Whether true or not, Obama points to a birth certificate showing he was born in the US. However, Cruz has a birth certificate that says Canada. He is not running from that fact.

    So under US law it says you must be born an American citizen, correct? What am I missing here?
  4. The Catbird's Seat
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    01 Dec '15 16:40
    Originally posted by whodey
    Don't give me that RJ. Whether true or not, Obama points to a birth certificate showing he was born in the US. However, Cruz has a birth certificate that says Canada. He is not running from that fact.

    So under US law it says you must be born an American citizen, correct? What am I missing here?
    His mother was a US citizen, so he is too.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/politics/ted-cruz-canada-citizenship/index.html
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    01 Dec '15 18:46
    Originally posted by normbenign
    His mother was a US citizen, so he is too.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/politics/ted-cruz-canada-citizenship/index.html
    Actually it's not that simple; IF you are a "strict constructionist" as many right wingers seem to be, then the Constitutional language seems to disqualify him:

    No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President

    Article II, Section 1

    Cruz was not born in the US and whether a parent being a citizen makes you a "natural born citizen" is far from clear if you rely solely on the Constitutional language.
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    01 Dec '15 19:021 edit
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Because Obama was born in Kenya and set a precedent by becoming President.

    [b]Kenya: Authorities Release Barack Obama’s “Real” Birth Certificate


    The Office of the Principal Register of the Nyanza Province, in Kenya, has finally released 11 exclusive documents concerning Barack Obama’s alleged birth and early childhood in the country. These official ...[text shortened]...
    http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/kenya-authorities-release-barack-obamas-real-birth-certificate/[/b]
    Can't believe everything you read, RJ:

    However, that article was just another spoof from World News Daily Report, a tabloid-like web site whose stock in trade is publishing fantastically fictional stories such as "200 Million Year Old Dinosaur Egg Hatches in Berlin Museum and "Miner Found Alive After 17 Years Underground."

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/birthcertificate.asp

    EDIT: You might like this article from the site you referenced: http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/jesus-was-black-reveals-newly-found-manuscript/
  7. Standard memberRJHinds
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    01 Dec '15 21:292 edits
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Can't believe everything you read, RJ:

    However, that article was just another spoof from World News Daily Report, a tabloid-like web site whose stock in trade is publishing fantastically fictional stories such as "200 Million Year Old Dinosaur Egg Hatches in Berlin Museum and "Miner Found Alive After 17 Years Underground."

    http://www.snopes.com/po ...[text shortened]... you referenced: http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/jesus-was-black-reveals-newly-found-manuscript/
    Barack H Obama II Born in Kenya The REAL Birth Certificate !

    YouTube

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    Michelle Obama Saying That Barack Obama's Home Country is Kenya

    YouTube
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    01 Dec '15 22:07
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Because Obama was born in Kenya and set a precedent by becoming President.

    [b]Kenya: Authorities Release Barack Obama’s “Real” Birth Certificate


    The Office of the Principal Register of the Nyanza Province, in Kenya, has finally released 11 exclusive documents concerning Barack Obama’s alleged birth and early childhood in the country. These official ...[text shortened]...
    http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/kenya-authorities-release-barack-obamas-real-birth-certificate/[/b]
    ...and if that is not bad enough, Obama made a deal with the little green men on Mars that will will make Elizabeth Warren your own personal leather clad, whip wielding Dominatrix in exchange for 3 buffalo chips. 😀
  9. Standard memberRJHinds
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    01 Dec '15 22:391 edit
    Originally posted by bill718
    ...and if that is not bad enough, Obama made a deal with the little green men on Mars that will will make Elizabeth Warren your own personal leather clad, whip wielding Dominatrix in exchange for 3 buffalo chips. 😀
    You guys don't really care about the truth when it comes to your liberal Democrat political cronies. Your heroes are those liberals that can tell the most lies and get away with it.
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    01 Dec '15 22:43
    Originally posted by bill718
    ...and if that is not bad enough, Obama made a deal with the little green men on Mars that will will make Elizabeth Warren your own personal leather clad, whip wielding Dominatrix in exchange for 3 buffalo chips. 😀
    Are you serious 😛
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    02 Dec '15 23:39
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Barack H Obama II Born in Kenya The REAL Birth Certificate !

    [youtube]zzKsNLZ8qrE[/youtube]

    [youtube]P7w-al2-cAU[/youtube]

    Michelle Obama Saying That Barack Obama's Home Country is Kenya

    [youtube]MLGItF-Y8Uc[/youtube]
    But RJ, Obama's mother was a US citizen as well as the mother of Ted Cruz.

    So if you support Cruz as being eligible to be President then you would also have to support Obama even if he were born in Kenya.
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    02 Dec '15 23:41
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Actually it's not that simple; IF you are a "strict constructionist" as many right wingers seem to be, then the Constitutional language seems to disqualify him:

    No Person except a [b]natural born Citizen
    , or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President

    Article II, ...[text shortened]... ou a "natural born citizen" is far from clear if you rely solely on the Constitutional language.[/b]
    I think it disqualifies Cruz, but as we all know, the Constitution has been sold to us as a "living, breathing, evolving" document. Now the courts can do as they please.
  13. The Catbird's Seat
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    02 Dec '15 23:44
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Actually it's not that simple; IF you are a "strict constructionist" as many right wingers seem to be, then the Constitutional language seems to disqualify him:

    No Person except a [b]natural born Citizen
    , or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President

    Article II, ...[text shortened]... ou a "natural born citizen" is far from clear if you rely solely on the Constitutional language.[/b]
    Despite the ambiguity of Obama's birth, are you really going to try to disqualify Cruz?
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    02 Dec '15 23:48
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Despite the ambiguity of Obama's birth, are you really going to try to disqualify Cruz?
    What we think does not matter.

    All that matters is what SCOTUS thinks.

    Will SCOTUS have enough conservatives to let Cruz run, or will there be more Libs?

    That's really the only question.
  15. The Catbird's Seat
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    02 Dec '15 23:55
    Originally posted by whodey
    What we think does not matter.

    All that matters is what SCOTUS thinks.

    Will SCOTUS have enough conservatives to let Cruz run, or will there be more Libs?

    That's really the only question.
    SCOTUS has outgrown its Constitutional definitions. Those nine lawyers have totally eliminated any concept of self government.
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