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  1. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    14 Nov '10 16:26
    Geert Wilders, the Dutch populist fascist politician (and also member of parliament) is to speak in Israel.
    He's been invited to speak about Jordan being the only Palestinian State there ever should be...

    Is it just me, or is it irony on a base level, that Israel is giving such hate-mongering bastards a platform?
    I'm sure the Israeli National Union Party would love Wilders' sentiments if they just took the time to replace the word "Islam" with "Jew" in everything Wilders has actually said.

    One could wonder what the ever-freedom-lovin' US of A would say about this nationalism-by-guilt, but since we've just heard they harboured tons of nazis after WWII...just because it suited their evil little programme of bombing the be-jesus out of anyone who doesn't swallow the Chicago school of economics pill for financial reform...(although it wasn't called so at the time) there's very little chance they're gonna care.

    Jewish nationalist parties? Geert Wilders? What the hell's going on?

    http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1012/Binnenland/article/detail/530690/2010/11/08/Wilders-spreekt-in-Israel.dhtml

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/geert-wilders-very-own-two-state-solution-1.323575
  2. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    14 Nov '10 16:28
    "Jordan is Palestine," said Wilders in a widely-quoted campaign speech in June 2010. "Changing its name to Palestine will end the conflict in the Middle East and provide the Palestinians with an alternate homeland."

    Yeah. Let's give the Palestinians an "alternate" homeland, re-settle the Jordanians in Holland and then give Wilders and his followers an alternate homeland. Antartica or somewhere.
  3. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    14 Nov '10 16:40
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Geert Wilders, the Dutch populist fascist politician (and also member of parliament) is to speak in Israel.
    He's been invited to speak about Jordan being the only Palestinian State there ever should be...

    Is it just me, or is it irony on a base level, that Israel is giving such hate-mongering bastards a platform?
    I'm sure the Israeli National Union Pa ...[text shortened]... retz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/geert-wilders-very-own-two-state-solution-1.323575
    First of all, be accurate.

    "Israel" hasn't given him a platform. One far right Israeli politician has. Big deal. So, both countries have far right nuts. Every country does.

    Dog bites man.
  4. 14 Nov '10 16:42
    Perhaps there is some alternate homeland we can find for Wilders and the "people" who follow him. Preferably some place without food.
  5. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    14 Nov '10 17:49
    Originally posted by sh76
    First of all, be accurate.

    "Israel" hasn't given him a platform. One far right Israeli politician has. Big deal. So, both countries have far right nuts. Every country does.

    Dog bites man.
    Yeah. So? If one nut in your town agrees to host a fascist demonstration, if the town doesn't put a halt to it, it's giving the demonstration a platform.

    I'd give Wilders a platform though. At the far side of a shooting range.
  6. 14 Nov '10 18:15
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Geert Wilders, the Dutch populist fascist politician (and also member of parliament) is to speak in Israel.
    He's been invited to speak about Jordan being the only Palestinian State there ever should be...

    Is it just me, or is it irony on a base level, that Israel is giving such hate-mongering bastards a platform?
    I'm sure the Israeli National Union Pa ...[text shortened]... retz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/geert-wilders-very-own-two-state-solution-1.323575
    Somehow I don't see how Wilders can possibly be considered a hate-monger, from what I've seen is merely standing up for western values in the face of muslim extremism, thats hardly "hate-mongering".

    If anything Wilders should be applauded for constantly exposing the hypocrisy of the media and european society in general when it comes to freedom of speech and what is considered "extremist".
  7. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    14 Nov '10 18:25
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    Somehow I don't see how Wilders can possibly be considered a hate-monger, from what I've seen is merely standing up for western values in the face of muslim extremism, thats hardly "hate-mongering".

    If anything Wilders should be applauded for constantly exposing the hypocrisy of the media and european society in general when it comes to freedom of speech and what is considered "extremist".
    Mhmmm...

    "We should burn the koran."
    "The koran is worse than Mein Kampf."

    They may be your Western values he's standing up for, but it sure as hell ain't mine. It's hate mongering and it's polarizing society.

    Eventually he will have to be dealt with.
  8. 14 Nov '10 18:36
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Mhmmm...

    "We should burn the koran."
    "The koran is worse than Mein Kampf."

    They may be your Western values he's standing up for, but it sure as hell ain't mine. It's hate mongering and it's polarizing society.

    Eventually he will have to be dealt with.
    I believe he is simply making full use of his freedom of speech, nothing more nothing less.

    Richard dawkins, who I despise deeply, also makes extraordinarily inaccurate claims about Christianity and the bible, but I don't consider him to be a hate-monger who needs to be silenced, nor does the media and society in general, yet if someone says anything mildly offensive regarding Islam or muslims there is no hesitation in labeling the author of the remark a "racist", "hate-monger" or "bigot", etc. Its hypocrisy at its worst.

    Eventually he will have to be dealt with.
    and that will be the end of a civilized and tolerant society as we know it.
  9. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    14 Nov '10 18:48
    I thought this was going to be about Gene Wilders.
  10. 14 Nov '10 18:51
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    Somehow I don't see how Wilders can possibly be considered a hate-monger, from what I've seen is merely standing up for western values in the face of muslim extremism, thats hardly "hate-mongering".

    If anything Wilders should be applauded for constantly exposing the hypocrisy of the media and european society in general when it comes to freedom of speech and what is considered "extremist".
    A self-identified racist isn't defending Western values; Western values imply religious freedom.
  11. 14 Nov '10 18:56
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    A self-identified racist isn't defending Western values; Western values imply religious freedom.
    I haven't seen him identifying himself as a racist, perhaps Im wrong, please show me the evidence in case I am mistaken.

    yes, they do imply religious freedom, and they also imply freedom of speech and the consequently the right to criticize religions (you should know this considering you're also an atheist).
  12. 14 Nov '10 18:59
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    I haven't seen him identifying himself as a racist, perhaps Im wrong, please show me the evidence in case I am mistaken.

    yes, they do imply religious freedom, and they also imply freedom of speech and the consequently the right to criticize religions (you should know this considering you're also an atheist).
    Sackur: "are you saying that [Dutch major cities] being majority non-white is not acceptable?"
    Wilders: "of course it's not acceptable!"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enBb4sHUYqE

    3:00
  13. 14 Nov '10 19:08 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Sackur: "are you saying that [Dutch major cities] being majority non-white is not acceptable?"
    Wilders: "of course it's not acceptable!"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enBb4sHUYqE

    3:00
    I don't find this particularly racist, bigoted and irrational perhaps, but not racist in the real sense of the word. Truly, I've seen much worse from the likes of Nick Griffin.

    Nevertheless, he does have a right to voice his opinion, does he not?
  14. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    14 Nov '10 19:11 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Sackur: "are you saying that [Dutch major cities] being majority non-white is not acceptable?"
    Wilders: "of course it's not acceptable!"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enBb4sHUYqE

    3:00
    On the principle of indigenousness mattering this makes some sense.

    It's not quite a racist comment. It's a racialist comment. There is a subtle but important difference.
  15. 14 Nov '10 19:15
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    I don't find this particularly racist, bigoted and irrational perhaps, but not racist in the real sense of the word. Truly, I've seen much worse from the likes of Nick Griffin.

    Nevertheless, he does have a right to voice his opinion, does he not?
    Yes, he has the right. But in the Netherlands there has been a very dangerous trend ever since Fortuyn was assasinated that racist people and opinions should be respected instead of ridiculed. This has emboldened a large group of genetic trash who are now casting their vote and poisoning Dutch society. In a two (and a half) party system like in the UK, they are just harmless decoration and food for satire, but in a multi-party systems this gives these inferior people real power.