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  1. Zugzwang
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    28 Feb '17 22:10
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/28/meps-say-marine-le-pen-can-be-prosecuted-over-violent-isis-images

    "MEPs vote to lift Marine Le Pen's immunity over violent Isis images:
    Committee waives right, paving way for French prosecution of Front
    National leader after she tweeted pictures of killings."

    "MEPs have voted to lift Marine Le Pen’s parliamentary immunity to
    allow French prosecutors to take legal action against the far-right
    leader for tweeting gruesome images of killings by Islamic State militants.

    Members of the European parliament’s legal affairs committee voted on
    Tuesday by an overwhelming majority to waive Le Pen’s immunity, after
    a request from the prosecutor of Nanterre in west Paris. The prosecutor
    opened an inquiry under a French law banning the distribution of violent
    images or those inciting terrorism."
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    28 Feb '17 22:15
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/28/meps-say-marine-le-pen-can-be-prosecuted-over-violent-isis-images

    "MEPs vote to lift Marine Le Pen's immunity over violent Isis images:
    Committee waives right, paving way for French prosecution of Front
    National leader after she tweeted pictures of killings."

    "MEPs have voted to lift Marine Le Pen’s pa ...[text shortened]... ry under a French law banning the distribution of violent
    images or those inciting terrorism."
    Of course the EU will vote against her, she is the biggest threat to the EU since the Eurozone crisis. As with Wilder's surge in the polls after he was convicted in December of inciting hatred against Moroccans, this will probably backfire, as people see it as a political trial, regardless or whether or not she is right or wrong.

    As far as I'm concerned, good riddance if she does get charged. But, most people won't see it that way.
  3. Zugzwang
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    28 Feb '17 22:22
    Originally posted by Ashiitaka
    Of course the EU will vote against her, she is the biggest threat to the EU since the Eurozone crisis. As with Wilder's surge in the polls after he was convicted in December of inciting hatred against Moroccans, this will probably backfire, as people see it as a political trial, regardless or whether or not she is right or wrong.

    As far as I'm concerned, good riddance if she does get charged. But, most people won't see it that way.
    Ash may have ignored the revulsion in France against Marine Le Pen.

    "“Daesh is THIS!” Le Pen said in angry tweets showing the killings, posts that drew revulsion
    and criticism from bereaved families and French politicians across the political spectrum."
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    28 Feb '17 22:28
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/28/meps-say-marine-le-pen-can-be-prosecuted-over-violent-isis-images

    "MEPs vote to lift Marine Le Pen's immunity over violent Isis images:
    Committee waives right, paving way for French prosecution of Front
    National leader after she tweeted pictures of killings."

    "MEPs have voted to lift Marine Le Pen’s pa ...[text shortened]... ry under a French law banning the distribution of violent
    images or those inciting terrorism."
    They need to go after this thieving c☆☆t first. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/business/imf-trial-christine-lagarde-france-verdict.html?_r=0
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    28 Feb '17 22:292 edits
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Ash may have ignored the revulsion in France against Marine Le Pen.

    "“Daesh is THIS!” Le Pen said in angry tweets showing the killings, posts that drew revulsion
    and criticism from bereaved families and French politicians across the political spectrum."
    Regrettably she is winning the first round and polling at 40% in the second, and ultimate, round against macron and 45% for Fillon.

    Unfortunately giving her a surge is the last thing we need right now. She only has to persuade 5 percent of the electorate to switch sides (against Fillon) and 10 percent for Macron, a feat looking increasingly easy for her. She has halved Mr Macron's lead over her in the past two weeks alone. The last thing we need is to give her ammunition by attempting to politically prosecute her. The same thing happened with Geert Wilders back in December.
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    01 Mar '17 00:21
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/28/meps-say-marine-le-pen-can-be-prosecuted-over-violent-isis-images

    "MEPs vote to lift Marine Le Pen's immunity over violent Isis images:
    Committee waives right, paving way for French prosecution of Front
    National leader after she tweeted pictures of killings."

    "MEPs have voted to lift Marine Le Pen’s pa ...[text shortened]... ry under a French law banning the distribution of violent
    images or those inciting terrorism."
    When Trump extemporaneously threatened to imprison his opponent in an offhand one-liner in a debate, many people screamed that he was obviously a fascist bent on punishing his political opponents.

    Concrete steps are being taken against a high profile politician for taking actions that many would say are protected by basic freedom of speech principles.

    Hey, Europeans, how's all that sanctimony workin' out for ya?
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    01 Mar '17 00:411 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    When Trump extemporaneously threatened to imprison his opponent in an offhand one-liner in a debate, many people screamed that he was obviously a fascist bent on punishing his political opponents.

    Concrete steps are being taken against a high profile politician for taking actions that many would say are protected by basic freedom of speech principles.

    Hey, Europeans, how's all that sanctimony workin' out for ya?
    Does Sh76 object as much to the German laws long banning pro-Nazi speech?
    Does Sh76 object as much to 'hate speech' against Muslims as to that against Jews?
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    01 Mar '17 02:20
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Does Sh76 object as much to the German laws long banning pro-Nazi speech?
    Does Sh76 object as much to 'hate speech' against Muslims as to that against Jews?
    I do think that banning all pro-Nazi speech goes against freedom of speech principles, as I have gone on record as saying many times on this forum.
  9. Zugzwang
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    01 Mar '17 02:58
    Originally posted by sh76
    I do think that banning all pro-Nazi speech goes against freedom of speech principles,
    as I have gone on record as saying many times on this forum.
    Rashid Khalidi (a native US citizen of Palestinian heritage) is a professor at Columbia University.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/nyregion/31khalil.html?partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

    "Political Storm Finds a Columbia Professor"

    "...he [Rashid Khalidi] was barred the next year [2005] from lecturing New York City public
    school teachers for having used the words “racist” and “apartheid” in discussions of Israel."

    "In 2005, after a New York Sun article highlighted some of Mr. Khalidi’s statements, the
    New York City schools chancellor, Joel I. Klein, barred Mr. Khalidi from a teacher-training
    course. In an interview with The New York Times, Mr. Khalidi said then that he “may have
    used the word ‘racist’ about Israeli policies,” and acknowledged saying in a speech that
    if the movement of Palestinians continued to be restricted, “it would develop into worse
    than the apartheid system.”"

    So would Sh76 object to New York City public schools barring Rashid Khalidi from speaking to its teachers?
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    01 Mar '17 03:27
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Rashid Khalidi (a native US citizen of Palestinian heritage) is a professor at Columbia University.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/nyregion/31khalil.html?partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

    "Political Storm Finds a Columbia Professor"

    "...he [Rashid Khalidi] was barred the next year [2005] from lecturing New York City public
    school teachers for ...[text shortened]... h76 object to New York City public schools barring Rashid Khalidi from speaking to its teachers?
    There's a bit of a difference between seeking criminal prosecution for speech and not inviting someone into your organization to give that speech, isn't there? Or even not inviting them because they gave such a speech somewhere else.
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    01 Mar '17 03:382 edits
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    There's a bit of a difference between seeking criminal prosecution for speech
    and not inviting someone into your organization to give that speech, isn't there?
    Or even not inviting them because they gave such a speech somewhere else.
    I did *not* claim that they were the same.

    I was pointing out the extreme pro-Israeli bias in the New York City *public* schools leadership,
    which evidently aims to deny its employees or students opportunities to hear criticisms of Israel.

    "Rabbi J. Rolando Matalon of Congregation B’nai Jeshurun, a liberal synagogue on the
    Upper West Side, said he has known Mr. Khalidi for years and called the allegations
    “completely absurd and uncalled for and malicious.” "
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    01 Mar '17 06:52
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/28/meps-say-marine-le-pen-can-be-prosecuted-over-violent-isis-images

    "MEPs vote to lift Marine Le Pen's immunity over violent Isis images:
    Committee waives right, paving way for French prosecution of Front
    National leader after she tweeted pictures of killings."

    "MEPs have voted to lift Marine Le Pen’s pa ...[text shortened]... ry under a French law banning the distribution of violent
    images or those inciting terrorism."
    She should be deported to Alabama.

    Send us some Mexicans in return, be my guest!
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    01 Mar '17 07:35
    Originally posted by Ashiitaka
    Of course the EU will vote against her, she is the biggest threat to the EU since the Eurozone crisis. As with Wilder's surge in the polls after he was convicted in December of inciting hatred against Moroccans, this will probably backfire, as people see it as a political trial, regardless or whether or not she is right or wrong.

    As far as I'm concerned, good riddance if she does get charged. But, most people won't see it that way.
    Wilders has been steadily slipping in the polls as of late. The latest polls put him behind the VVD with around 16% of the vote.
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    01 Mar '17 08:40
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Wilders has been steadily slipping in the polls as of late. The latest polls put him behind the VVD with around 16% of the vote.
    I think he lost the plot with the whole Moroccan thing, and he paid the price. He went too far even by his standards.


    Thank goodness.
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    01 Mar '17 13:561 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Rashid Khalidi (a native US citizen of Palestinian heritage) is a professor at Columbia University.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/nyregion/31khalil.html?partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

    "Political Storm Finds a Columbia Professor"

    "...he [Rashid Khalidi] was barred the next year [2005] from lecturing New York City public
    school teachers for ...[text shortened]... h76 object to New York City public schools barring Rashid Khalidi from speaking to its teachers?
    I will not commingle a discussion as to whether someone should be put in a position as educator for school children with a discussion as to whether someone should be criminally liable for speech.

    Edit: No1 beat me to it.
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