Originally posted by zeeblebotYour earlier posts dated:25 Oct '05 22:11 and a few minutes before show that you happily fit into the "hasn't thought about it much" category.
you may as well preface this with "anyone who doesn't agree with me on anything ..."
i.e., "anyone who doesn't agree with me is inexperienced, uninformed, or hasn't spent the time thinking about it that i have, otherwise they would certainly have drawn the same conclusions that i have ..."
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Originally posted by no1marauderWell damnit, I thought I had a good idea.
NO, NO, NO - I don't want to be part of a secret process; I want the conclusions made public enough so people can verify them and have confidence in the system. If there is not enough proof in the games themselves, then perhaps it is not "overwhelming evidence".
TheSkipper
Originally posted by PhlabibitLook Phlab, the way it is now. Anyone of us could be next, and I have absolutely no reason to believe otherwise, as all that has been said is that the team have all agreed 100% on the guilt of the parties involved.
This is more opinion on your part. There are people that trust our decisions because they know we are putting hard work into this project and not dropping any names unless we are all 100 percent sure. To say they have not thought it through is false.
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With the analysis done outside of the Game Mods, Exy hasn't shown a very high match up to engines, so informed guess work is obviously involved. Non-mods who say that you have nothing to worry about if you don't cheat haven't thought the problem through. (You're right. It is just my opinion), as subjective guess work could be applied to most good players to "prove" that they cheated.
You, yourself, in your post prove that they haven't thought it through. Oh, I like Phlab and he's doing some hard work for the good of the site, so he must be right. Yeah, real brainpower being put into use there Phlab, thanks.
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Originally posted by PocketKingsI apologize to anyone who took offense from my post. It was not a bash of 1400 rated players, and I'm sorry if you took it that way. I was making the point that the level of play from Phlabibit was not high enough to understand the positional moves of an Expert, which is pretty close to what Exy's strength was.
WHOA! Yuy really are an idiot. "doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground"??? Is that the best you got?? I take it as an insult to myself also to see how you refer to a 1400 player. I am in the 1100's now and have set a goal for myself to be a 1400 player within the next few months. As a former boxer my head has been banged around a lot and has ...[text shortened]... n come visit me in Philadelphia, and trust me, I won't be showing you any "brotherly love" ðŸ˜
That and Phlabibit's actions to not even consider other possibilities attributed to my statement about his anatomy. Ok, so in retrospect I shouldn't be so harsh with Phlabibit. So I apologize for the bad remarks and will try to address the issues straight-forward and not insult anybody.
Afterall, that is our only recourse here... to discuss the issues.
Now then, how about all you other people? Can we discuss this issue in an adult manner w/o attacking the person who wants to say something???
Originally posted by Freddie2004Yes, good question. I would like to see the answer to this as well.
There is a very simple question here that can solve a lot of the mysteries:
"Do the game mods do anything to asscertain whether a player is cheating, that couldn't be done by any normal person analysing the games"?
TheSkipper
Originally posted by Freddie2004My guess is that the answer to this question has to be kept secret (and the reason why it has to be a secret is a secret as well). 😕
There is a very simple question here that can solve a lot of the mysteries:
"Do the game mods do anything to asscertain whether a player is cheating, that couldn't be done by any normal person analysing the games"?
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Originally posted by TheSkipperThere should be a wealth of information available to them. Times of moves, time spent surfing the site, whilst thinking; number of times a game is viewed by a browser; which browser is used for which games etc.
Yes, good question. I would like to see the answer to this as well.
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Originally posted by NordlysI would ask u how u are surmising that but I know it would be a secret... and its a secret as to why its a secret ..am i making myself clear 🙄
My guess is that the answer to this question has to be kept secret (and the reason why it has to be a secret is a secret as well). 😕
Originally posted by PhlabibitOkay, let's assume for a moment that being more open would indeed lead to a significantly higher number of cheats, or a significantly lower percentage of cheats getting caught, or both. I still find it hard to believe that this would be the case, for the reasons I gave in an earlier post which you'll probably say you can't reply to, but it will do as a worst case scenario. In my earlier post I wrote:
It would make the cheat's easier as well... and even explaining to you why would also do the same.
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"It's a choice between a system which is based on secrecy, which will make many innocent people feel unsafe because they feel they might get wrongly accused and banned, and which will evoke long discussions and cause several people to leave every time someone is banned, and a system based on openness in which cheaters will still feel unsafe and are in danger of being banned, but people who don't cheat can be reasonably sure that they won't be banned for cheating because they can see that there are good reasons when someone is banned, as they are shown the evidence or at least part of it."
Most of this still applies even if fewer cheats get caught and/or more people decide to cheat. The only part I'd need to change is the one about cheats still feeling unsafe - some cheats might feel somewhat safer. So the open system gets a little less attractive, because I don't want more cheats. Still, if the choice is between playing a cheat from time to time and fearing that I or someone I know may be banned at any time without even being told why, I'd definitely choose playing a cheat from time to time.
Originally posted by NordlysSome punctuation would make this a bit more understandable.
Okay, let's assume for a moment that being more open would indeed lead to a significantly higher number of cheats, or a significantly lower percentage of cheats getting caught, or both. I still find it hard to believe that this would be the case, for the reasons I gave in an earlier post which you'll probably say you can't reply to, but it will do as a wo ...[text shortened]... any time without even being told why, I'd definitely choose playing a cheat from time to time.