Originally posted by PocketKingsRead other threads. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to force you to read threads about a very important issue for the site.
Hey, just got away like you were supposed to. I don't care what happened and who you are, its nothing personal because I don't know you. I'm just tired of it. So stop your crying and tell all your friends to stop their crying and go play somewhere else and fill up somewhere elses forum with this crap.
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A question for the mods - is it actually possible for you to post specific games and say "Exy was cheating in this one"?
I'm not saying do it, I'm saying is it possible.
What I'm trying to fathom is your basis for not doing so. If it's because your methods don't provide that information, well...
But if you CAN but choose not to, then I would say this: I really cannot see how posting a link and saying "he cheated in this game" will assist any other person cheat. A person could not draw a firm conclusion on your methods from a single game. A person such as no1 COULD, however, analyse that game and come to their own conclusions about it - rather than searching blindly through all of Exy's games for the elusive evidence.
I must say that I am becoming less convinced about the correctness of the banning, for the simple reason that Exy is presenting a case that is not being answered. No1's views only add to the unease (before anyone starts suggesting I'm his lapdog again, understand that I appreciate his views because of my legal training - unlike most of you I'd like to think I understand how his mind works).
Quite simply, this thread is not going to die unless the game mods provide a more detailed response in some form or another.
I (and I presume others) have just received a PM suggesting that Exy should go to the London Meet up to play some games OTB on November 26th. What better way to show that he didn't cheat?
But, in my opinion, this isn't going to help things on RHP in the long term, even if he really does turn out to be an 1100 player. It would be interesting though.
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Originally posted by RagnorakIt won't help but it would be good to meet, speak and play with him. And maybe get him drunk enough to reveal something, if there is anything to reveal 😉. On the other hand it might turn into a drunken brawl if anyone there believes he was a cheat!
I (and I presume others) have just received a PM suggesting that Exy should go to the London Meet up to play some games OTB on November 26th. What better way to show that he didn't cheat?
But, in my opinion, this isn't going to help things on RHP in the long term, even if he really does turn out to be an 1100 player. It would be interesting though.
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As much as everyone wants proof of Exy's cheating, the mods. really have no necessity to prove it. If noone likes the fact that evidence will not be given, there's really nothing they can do about it. Ofcourse if they're really hell-bent about it, they can choose to leave. Well, I say let them. They would only be biting their nose off to spit their face. If a person is upset about this whole deal, and they're not guilty of cheating themselves, they really have nothing to worry about. Nobody made such a stink about Ironman31, yozzer, FJPV, ThePo, or danton. Alot of those people might I add have lost a considerable amount of games and yet were banned for cheating. I think the only reason people are pushing this issue, is because of the fact that Exy has lost a considerable amount of games in addition to some personal loyalty to him. Well, if some of the others banned for cheating have lost numerous games, than the fact that Exy has is null and void. Obviously the mods have some other means of reasoning on this issue. It also seems rather obvious that they're not going to share such reasoning with us and I reiterate, there's nothing we can do about it. Just keep on playing chess. That's what the site is here for. I don't personally care who's banned for cheating as my oppurtunities to play such people(assuming they've reached a very high rating) are few and far in between. From what I understand, Complaints about cheating aren't anything new. Russ has done something to combat this. And yet here some of you are fighting his decisions tooth and nail. Well, what do you all want? Blood? They've done something about cheaters to help us. Trust the fact that they're trying to do good for the site. It would go against all logical reasoning to suggest they're banning people to get their rocks off. That I can't see as a possibility, no way, no how.
Bottom line, Exy is gone. If some of you have a problem with this(and I'm sorry in advance if any of you are offended), tough. There's nothing you can do. The evidence will not be shared and I'm sure the mods. have their reasons. Dragging this on is only to everyone's and the site's detriment. Play chess, don't cheat, enjoy yourselves. I am.
Originally posted by zakkwylderLast I checked I was a paying customer on this site and if I want to voice my opinion on a matter of importance to me and other customers on the site, I will. If you don't want to read about it, don't.
As much as everyone wants proof of Exy's cheating, the mods. really have no necessity to prove it. If noone likes the fact that evidence will not be given, there's really nothing they can do about it. Ofcourse if they're really hell-bent about it, they can choose to leave. Well, I say let them. They would only be biting their nose off to spit their fac ...[text shortened]... only to everyone's and the site's detriment. Play chess, don't cheat, enjoy yourselves. I am.
The reason why there wasn't so much of a fuss over the other players (with the exception of IM who had a lot of friends and was admired as the "no1 player"- though this was not valid) is that there was freely available, overwhelming evidence of their guilt i.e. others had run some of their games and these players were matching up with engine moves consistently in the 85-95% range. Such evidence is non-existent as far as I know in Exy's case. I'll continue to press for more information to be made available; if you're not interested, that's up to you.
Originally posted by no1marauderI don't know whether I should applaud you for coming away from the Dark side and joining up with the good side, my side, at my side as a paladin of virtue and morality, oppossed to daft things like tediously pettish rules...
The reason why there wasn't so much of a fuss over the other players (with the exception of IM who had a lot of friends and was admired as the "no1 player"- though this was not valid)
Or, if I should boo you for the cheapest of jabs, as quoted above...
Originally posted by no1marauderI'm not implying that you have no right to voice your opinion. All I'm saying is that it seems futile to hound them. The mods are showing no signs of breaking on this issue. I meant no offense to anyone by my post, rather, I was making the arguement that there's not much if anything we as users can do about it.
Originally posted by zakkwylderSome correct use of punctuation, paragraphs, capital letters, correct spelling and proper sentence structure would make this a bit more understandable.
As much as everyone wants proof of Exy's cheating, the mods. really have no necessity to prove it. If noone likes the fact that evidence will not be given, there's really nothing they can do about it. Ofcourse if they're really hell-bent about it, they can choose to leave. Well, I say let them. They would only be biting their nose off to spit their fac ...[text shortened]... only to everyone's and the site's detriment. Play chess, don't cheat, enjoy yourselves. I am.
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Originally posted by shavixmirDo neither. I still think that blatant cheaters should be banned. I have always supported some procedural due process for the accused. And I have never approved of unnecessary secrecy in such matters. And IM was a cheat and the evidence was overwhelming in his case.
I don't know whether I should applaud you for coming away from the Dark side and joining up with the good side, my side, at my side as a paladin of virtue and morality, oppossed to daft things like tediously pettish rules...
Or, if I should boo you for the cheapest of jabs, as quoted above...
Originally posted by RagnorakWell tough. I don't give a sh1t about grammar or punctuation here anymore. Most of the posting on this site is understandable despite some grammatical errors. Some of it is too far gone to understand. But from here on, I don't care. And if the likes of you, Bowmann, or anyone else have a problem with it, too bad.
Some correct use of punctuation, paragraphs, capital letters, correct spelling and proper sentence structure would make this a bit more understandable.
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Originally posted by orfeo
Quite simply, this thread is not going to die unless the game mods provide a more detailed response in some form or another.
Or until Russ decides enough is enough and closes it.
Whilst it seems that many people are upset at the loss of Exy, at the end of the day the decision was made to remove him from the site for breaches of the rules.
If EXY is so innocent then he can start a legal action against the moderators and site owners for the defamation of his character. After all he has been banned, it is clearly posted on the site and he has nothing to lose but his reputation, which at present is in tatters.
Originally posted by zakkwylderSo can you explain why you called out somebody for having poor punctuation (when it wasn't) just over an hour ago in this very thread?
Well tough. I don't give a sh1t about grammar or punctuation here anymore. Most of the posting on this site is understandable despite some grammatical errors. Some of it is too far gone to understand. But from here on, I don't care. And if the likes of you, Bowmann, or anyone else have a problem with it, too bad.
What's changed?
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Originally posted by adramforallDon't be ridiculous; a username cannot be defamed anymore than Mr. Ed can. Closing down one thread won't solve anything; these things get discussed in one thread or another until they are resolved or people are sick of discussing them. I personally don't care one way or the other if Exy cheated; all I care about is having procedures in play that are efficient, deter cheats and have the confidence of the community. At this point, I can't say the Game Mod system, the establishment of I wholeheartedly supported, is accomplishing any of the above.
Originally posted by orfeo
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Quite simply, this thread is not going to die unless the game mods provide a more detailed response in some form or another.
Or until Russ decides enough is enough and closes it.
Whilst it seems that many people are upset at the loss of Exy, at the end of the day the decision was made to remove him from ...[text shortened]... osted on the site and he has nothing to lose but his reputation, which at present is in tatters.[/b]