Originally posted by @kellyjayYou seem to have missed the point.
You think your able to become righteous? Question, as you are becoming righteous, what about your sins while you are working on that? Wouldn’t they count against you even after you arrive at righteous, so those sins still need to be atoned for?
You believe that people are not saved by grace through faith?[/b]
You wrote the following:
<<If we accept evil and wickedness, even a little it spoils the whole. >>
The vast majority of Christians DO "accept evil and wickedness" in themselves and other Christians.
They justify it to themselves as follows:
<<They justify it to themselves by believing that it is impossible for any human being to actually become righteous. They justify it to themselves by believing that they don't actually have to become righteous because God's sacrifice atones for their acts of unrighteousness. They justify it to themselves by believing that all their acts of unrighteousness are forgiven because they believe that God's sacrifice atones for their acts of unrighteousness.>>
Once again, how exactly is what you wrote not complete and utter hypocrisy?
You think your able to become righteous?
Both God and Jesus called their followers to become righteous.
Question, as you are becoming righteous, what about your sins while you are working on that? Wouldn’t they count against you even after you arrive at righteous, so those sins still need to be atoned for?
Ezekiel 18
21“But if the wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22“All his transgressions which he has committed will not be remembered against him; because of his righteousness which he has practiced, he will live.
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Originally posted by @kellyjayIt's a yes or no question. And your answer used neither the word "nice" and the only mention of the word "evil" was to say "maybe evil is too strong a word". So, your answer was a dodge. Yes or no? if you are not "nice" to someone, you believe you are being "evil"?
I gave my answer.
Originally posted by @kellyjayare you insuating that I'm a fool ? 🙂
You are cherry picking scripture, I understand the word testify but it isn't about my glory
being good enough for God and His Kingdom. It is about the Glory of God in our salvation
in Christ, He cleans us of our sins, Jesus sits at the right had of the Father for us. God
foretold of Christ coming all the way back in the OT, worked out a people to have J ...[text shortened]... en He came. This is all about God making us worthy, not about us
getting worthy enough for God.
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelNo, I thought I was clear you are cherry picking scripture.
are you insuating that I'm a fool ? 🙂
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Originally posted by @fmfAn evil intent is evil, an evil act is evil. You can do something we can call good for evil
It's a yes or no question. And your answer used neither the word "nice" and the only mention of the word "evil" was to say "maybe evil is too strong a word". So, your answer was a dodge. Yes or no? if you are not "nice" to someone, you believe you are being "evil"?
intent. So not being nice can indeed be evil, it can also be wicked, or bad. It isn't always
a one size fits all.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneThe whole is spoiled, I have not missed the point. I have not claimed I can be good
You seem to have missed the point.
You wrote the following:
<<If we accept evil and wickedness, even a little it spoils the whole. >>
The vast majority of Christians DO "accept evil and wickedness" in themselves and other Christians.
They justify it to themselves as follows:
<<They justify it to themselves by believing that it is impossible ...[text shortened]... ot be remembered against him; because of his righteousness which he has practiced, he will live.
enough on my own, maybe you think you can and are. Without the grace of God we are
sinners who will die in our sins, and no amount of attempting to get as good as God is,
is going to be good enough. You think God will accept you without God's grace, or do
you even believe in God?
If the OT settled the issue of sin and righteous there would not be a need for the NT and
the shedding of Jesus' blood.
It isn't that we are not to strive to serve God by doing good works, but they are not what
cleans us of our sins, that would be the blood of Jesus Christ. If you think that Jesus does
not cleans us of sins, what do you rely on for cleaning up your sins? I believe it is
delusional to suggest you can get good enough on your own as if our efforts could be
better than the blood of Jesus Christ? If you are going to talk about Jesus Christ, than
answer the question is He your Lord?
Acts 4:12
And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
Romans 5:9
Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
Romans 5:10
For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.
Ephesians 2:7-9 (ESV)
7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Titus 3:5
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
Originally posted by @kellyjayI wonder if you express yourself in an opaque way deliberately in order to disguise what you know full well are your limitations or whether you just can't help it because of those limitations. You seem to have admitted that you have been misusing the word "evil". [It certainly means next to nothing to me the way you use it.]
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And now you have suddenly said this: "So not being nice can indeed be evil, it can also be wicked, or bad" which suddenly suggests that there are different meanings for these words - which you have not defined or explained - which makes it sound like you are trying to shroud your rather daft and zealous pronouncements about "evil" in a kind of conversational fog. You sell yourself short.
Originally posted by @fmfYou accusing me and me admitting aren’t the same thing. But don’t worry I am sure before it’s all said and done I will more than likely do something worse than miss use a word.
I wonder if you express yourself in an opaque way deliberately in order to disguise what you know full well are your limitations or whether you just can't help it because of those limitations. You seem to have admitted that you have been misusing the word "evil". [It certainly means next to nothing to me the way you use it.]
And now you have suddenly said t ...[text shortened]... nd zealous pronouncements about "evil" in a kind of conversational fog. You sell yourself short.