Originally posted by @karoly-aczelJames 2:10
It isn't 'one size fits all' unless you want it to be .Sheesh!! Question: Do you believe that breaking laws made by man that dont appear in the bible are made with evil intent? Like copping a fine for skating in the wrong area .... or perhaps smoking weed? I'd genuinely like to know what you think?
For whoever keeps the entire law, and yet stumbles at one point, is guilty of breaking it all.
-Removed-You feel like anyone you talk too needs to respond to you? I've seen the things you say
to and about me. There is just nothing you say that really interests me. Sorry, if we could
have a conversation without it immediately going personal I might feel incline. When you
jump into conversations I'm having it is always to insult, if I try to talk to you it is as if I'm
your enemy and your looking for ways to twist anything said into an insult or put down.
You are not being ignored as if I'm not speaking to you, there is just no opinion of yours
I'm not going to see from you if I'm talking to you or not because no matter what I say
you will find a way to turn it into something bad.
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Originally posted by @karoly-aczel"Otherwise you wouldn't have once again cited the words of Paul to support your position."
He has not even a clue? Are you being truthful? C'mon Kelly...
Yes, when he said this, nothing he says about scripture from this point on in my opinion is
worth hearing. You are responding to me now, what about those times you accused me
of twisting scripture and when I asked where and how you disappear after you accuse
me of something else, moving the goal posts. I'm being truthful here, are you?
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelI'd like you to find a time I have done that and point it out, be specific. Otherwise your
I do try to take scripture in context. Be that as it may, misinterpretaion of scripture, as you repeatedly do, is much worse. In my humble opinion
humble opinion is just noise, all accusation and no specific examples.
Originally posted by @kellyjayWell. you do have a way of losing track of the points of a discussion. Let's see if I can get you back on track.
I have no issue citing Paul, Peter, John, Luke, Mark, or anyone one of them. Being led by
the Spirit of God is no different than listening to Jesus. Which you would know if you really
knew who Jesus and the Holy Spirit are.
So this get good enough, get righteous enough on our own, isn't possible.
God (in the OT) and Jesus (in the NT) called their followers to make themselves righteous. Evidently you don't believe them.
Isaiah 1
16“Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight.
Cease to do evil,
17Learn to do good;
Seek justice,
Reprove the ruthless,
Defend the orphan,
Plead for the widow.
18“Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the LORD,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They will be like wool.
19“If you consent and obey,
You will eat the best of the land;
20“But if you refuse and rebel,
You will be devoured by the sword.”
Truly, the mouth of the LORD has spoken.
John 8
34 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.
31 ...“If you abide in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
35“The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever. 36“So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.
51“Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.”
John 15
3“You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneCorrect. The words of Jesus Christ, and keeping his words, is His Spirit and is eternal life
Well. you do have a way of losing track of the points of a discussion. Let's see if I can get you back on track.
[b]So this get good enough, get righteous enough on our own, isn't possible.
God (in the OT) and Jesus (in the NT) called their followers to make themselves righteous. Evidently you don't believe them.
Isaiah 1
16“Wash yourselv ...[text shortened]... see death.”
John 15
3“You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.[/b]
.. the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (John 6:63 KJV)
Christians want to claim that they have the Spirit of Christ and yet claim that they do not need to keep the commandments of Christ
Originally posted by @rajk999Correct.
Correct. The words of Jesus Christ, and keeping his words, is His Spirit and is eternal life
.. the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (John 6:63 KJV)
Christians want to claim that they have the Spirit of Christ and yet claim that they do not need to keep the commandments of Christ
KJ doesn't seem to understand that the Spirit of truth is only received by those who KEEP His word.
John 14
15“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
16“I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
21“He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”
23...“If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.
24“He who does not love Me does not keep My words...
Clearly KJ does not believe God (in the OT) or Jesus (in the NT).
Originally posted by @thinkofoneYep .. they have reversed the doctrine of Christ and have said
Correct.
KJ doesn't seem to understand that the Spirit of truth is only received by those who KEEP His word.
John 14
15“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
16“I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see ...[text shortened]... e does not keep My words...
Clearly KJ does not believe God (in the OT) or Jesus (in the NT).
IF they get eternal life THEN they follow the commandments.
Whereas Jesus said:
IF you follow the commandments THEN you get eternal life.
They are blind fools
Originally posted by @kellyjayYes, when he said this, nothing he says about scripture from this point on in my opinion is
"Otherwise you wouldn't have once again cited the words of Paul to support your position."
Yes, when he said this, nothing he says about scripture from this point on in my opinion is
worth hearing. You are responding to me now, what about those times you accused me
of twisting scripture and when I asked where and how you disappear after you accuse
me of something else, moving the goal posts. I'm being truthful here, are you?
worth hearing.
Unfortunately this is not untypical behavior for many Christians. As disingenuous as it is, It's a way for them to justify ignoring the words of God (in the OT) and Jesus (in the NT) to themselves.
Originally posted by @kellyjayYes, yes. As daunting as this MAY seem, it is actually not. This IS where faith comes in. Have faith in your own God given abilities to overcome ignorance. Is it possible? Can it be done? Can one be as righteous as Jesus? Apparently Jesus thought so ...
James 2:10
For whoever keeps the entire law, and yet stumbles at one point, is guilty of breaking it all.