Originally posted by @kellyjayThe fact remains that the vast majority of Christians DO "accept evil and wickedness" in themselves and other Christians for the "reasons" I cited.
The whole is spoiled, I have not missed the point. I have not claimed I can be good
enough on my own, maybe you think you can and are. Without the grace of God we are
sinners who will die in our sins, and no amount of attempting to get as good as God is,
is going to be good enough. You think God will accept you without God's grace, or do
you even belie ...[text shortened]... , but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
If the OT settled the issue of sin and righteous there would not be a need for the NT and the shedding of Jesus' blood.
God (in the OT) and Jesus (in the NT) DID settle the "issue of and righteousness". They called their followers to make themselves righteous.
Instead of placing your confidence in the words spoken by God to the later OT prophets and the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry, you and the vast majority of Christians place your confidence in the words of Paul. None of the verses you cited were spoken by God to the later OT prophets or in the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. Not one. Why is that?
There IS no need for Paul's nonsense about Jesus' atoning sacrifice being necessary because human beings are incapable of making themselves righteous. At least you have that much correct.
Originally posted by @kellyjayI said this to you:
You accusing me and me admitting aren’t the same thing.
I wonder if you express yourself in an opaque way deliberately in order to disguise what you know full well are your limitations or whether you just can't help it because of those limitations. You seem to have admitted that you have been misusing the word "evil". [It certainly means next to nothing to me the way you use it.]
And now you have suddenly said this: "So not being nice can indeed be evil, it can also be wicked, or bad" which suddenly suggests that there are different meanings for these words - which you have not defined or explained - which makes it sound like you are trying to shroud your rather daft and zealous pronouncements about "evil" in a kind of conversational fog. You sell yourself short.
Was me saying that to you an example of "evil", to your way of thinking?
Originally posted by @thinkofoneThe entire race are all sinners, every single one.
The fact remains that the vast majority of Christians DO "accept evil and wickedness" in themselves and other Christians for the "reasons" I cited.
[b]If the OT settled the issue of sin and righteous there would not be a need for the NT and the shedding of Jesus' blood.
God (in the OT) and Jesus (in the NT) DID settle the "issue of and righte ...[text shortened]... human beings are incapable of making themselves righteous. At least you have that much correct.[/b]
As Paul said when we want to do good, but we are in the flesh, we are sold under sin.
Only through Jesus Christ are going to be set free from this.
So this get good enough, get righteous enough on our own, isn't possible.
Our hope is in Christ alone who can set us free.
Romans 7:
For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. 15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneYou don't have a clue, there is no need for Paul's nonsense?
The fact remains that the vast majority of Christians DO "accept evil and wickedness" in themselves and other Christians for the "reasons" I cited.
[b]If the OT settled the issue of sin and righteous there would not be a need for the NT and the shedding of Jesus' blood.
God (in the OT) and Jesus (in the NT) DID settle the "issue of and righte ...[text shortened]... human beings are incapable of making themselves righteous. At least you have that much correct.[/b]
Originally posted by @kellyjayAs I said,
The entire race are all sinners, every single one.
As Paul said when we want to do good, but we are in the flesh, we are sold under sin.
Only through Jesus Christ are going to be set free from this.
So this get good enough, get righteous enough on our own, isn't possible.
Our hope is in Christ alone who can set us free.
Romans 7:
For we know that ...[text shortened]... ! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
<<Instead of placing your confidence in the words spoken by God to the later OT prophets and the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry, you and the vast majority of Christians place your confidence in the words of Paul. >>
Evidently you didn't understand that part. Otherwise you wouldn't have once again cited the words of Paul to support your position.
Originally posted by @kellyjayIt isn't 'one size fits all' unless you want it to be .Sheesh!! Question: Do you believe that breaking laws made by man that dont appear in the bible are made with evil intent? Like copping a fine for skating in the wrong area .... or perhaps smoking weed? I'd genuinely like to know what you think?
An evil intent is evil, an evil act is evil. You can do something we can call good for evil
intent. So not being nice can indeed be evil, it can also be wicked, or bad. It isn't always
a one size fits all.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI have no issue citing Paul, Peter, John, Luke, Mark, or anyone one of them. Being led by
As I said,
<<Instead of placing your confidence in the words spoken by God to the later OT prophets and the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry, you and the vast majority of Christians place your confidence in the words of Paul. >>
Evidently you didn't understand that part. Otherwise you wouldn't have once again cited the words of Paul to support your position.
the Spirit of God is no different than listening to Jesus. Which you would know if you really
knew who Jesus and the Holy Spirit are.