Eternal suffering? Or eternal death?

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Ok man...
This is a reincarnation of sorts then,eh?
If this is true then I guess I extend divegeesters welcome. It still feels odd. I've been here for less than 10 years so... what happened man?
Are you not interested in what your old posts would have said? Or are you starting afresh?

Starting afresh I reckon. I totally lost interest in chess years ago, it became like a chore. Just dropped it. And lately I got the hankering again. I wasn't a heavy participator in the forums before. Anyway I'm not some formerly banned user or anything like that. Yes, call it a reincarnation! 😵

Originally posted by FMF
2 verses constitutes a "strong argument" in a collection of books the size of the Bible? I am more interested in what "strong argument" there is morally speaking.

No, you're not. You're more interested in arguing, as usual.

Originally posted by chaney3
I would prefer to be with God eternally.

But I disagree that option B is being sent to eternal torment in hell by this same God.

Justice and punishment for sins, yes, but not forever. That theory does not line up with a loving God. Regardless of what the Bible may claim.

"Regardless of what the Bible may claim" I would like to know what sources you have, that you have placed above scripture.

Originally posted by Tom Wolsey
My name might have been didymus but I tried logging in with several passwords and nothing worked. Anyhoo. Suzianne might remember me, because I used to play with her and make jokes about iced tea (Suzianne vs Luzianne). I remember a guy named Bob that I think lived in Massachusetts -- he drove folks nuts here. I at least remember that.

I do remember the Luzianne jokes, but as you say, it has literally been years now since then.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Ok man...
This is a reincarnation of sorts then,eh?
If this is true then I guess I extend divegeesters welcome. It still feels odd. I've been here for less than 10 years so... what happened man?
Are you not interested in what your old posts would have said? Or are you starting afresh?

Can we just give the man the benefit of the doubt? Not everyone has an agenda.

VOriginally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Personally I favour mutual cooperation and love.

Perhaps that's just an atheist thing?

The moment where we give an account for every word and every deed, it isn't about mutual cooperation, it's a settling for all things.

Originally posted by Tom Wolsey
Starting afresh I reckon. I totally lost interest in chess years ago, it became like a chore. Just dropped it. And lately I got the hankering again. I wasn't a heavy participator in the forums before. Anyway I'm not some formerly banned user or anything like that. Yes, call it a reincarnation! 😵

Welcome I don't think I have many functional brain cells from that far back. 😉

Originally posted by KellyJay
"Regardless of what the Bible may claim" I would like to know what sources you have, that you have placed above scripture.

Honestly, I am going by my 'gut feeling' on this eternal tormenting hell issue. It does not make sense to me that God would send people there for earthly human sins that they committed in a finite human lifetime.

Yes, justice and punishment may need to be handed out, but not forever.

Obviously this gut feeling opposes what the Bible may say, but I'm okay with that.

Originally posted by chaney3
Honestly, I am going by my 'gut feeling' on this eternal tormenting hell issue. It does not make sense to me that God would send people there for earthly human sins that they committed in a finite human lifetime.

Yes, justice and punishment may need to be handed out, but not forever.

Obviously this gut feeling opposes what the Bible may say, but I'm okay with that.

Thanks for the honest answer.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Can we just give the man the benefit of the doubt? Not everyone has an agenda.

Um yeah, that's what I was doing.

Originally posted by KellyJay
The moment where we give an account for every word and every deed, it isn't about mutual cooperation, it's a settling for all things.

What about forgiveness?

Originally posted by karoly aczel
What about forgiveness?

Jesus made away for us to be saved so God could completely and righteously forgive us all of all we have ever done without exception. So from the most righteous of us, to the very worst, Jesus can save us.

Originally posted by KellyJay
... Jesus can save us.

He already did. How small and petty do you think your god?

Originally posted by apathist
He already did. How small and petty do you think your god?

His salvation will matter most on the day of judgment, those outside of what Jesus won will stand before God in all of their sins and will pay for them.

Originally posted by KellyJay
His salvation will matter most on the day of judgment, those outside of what Jesus won will stand before God in all of their sins and will pay for them.

He is looking for good people. Lots of christians will not make it; lots of pagans will. Or is your god about something else?