In another thread Robert made the point based on 'Christian principles' the concept of marital rape is erroneous. There can be no rape within a Christian marriage as consent was given on the day the couple married. Is this a view shared by other Christians here on this forum? Is this mainstream Christian ideology or a stream from the lunatic fringe as I suspect?
Originally posted by Proper KnobI made no such comment. I have not stated that the concept of marital rape is erroneous. If you can cite where i said it please produce it now. If you cannot then i would be pleased if you refrain from any further attempts to attribute values to me that i have not professed, its both intellectually and morally dishonest.
In another thread Robert made the point based on 'Christian principles' the concept of marital rape is erroneous. There can be no rape within a Christian marriage as consent was given on the day the couple married. Is this a view shared by other Christians here on this forum? Is this mainstream Christian ideology or a stream from the lunatic fringe as I suspect?
Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I made no such comment. I have not stated that the concept of marital rape is erroneous. If you can cite where i said it please produce it now. If you cannot then i would be pleased if you refrain from any further attempts to attribute values to me that i have not professed, its both intellectually and morally dishonest.
Now its my point that when one enters a marital union in full knowledge of the above and takes a vow to uphold these christian principles then consent has already been given to yield ones body to that of ones partner. The implications of this appear to me that no so called 'marital rape' can therefore take place
You have unequivocally said that marital rape cannot take place in a Christian marriage. Which is the same as saying that the concept of marital rape in a Christian marriage is erroneous.
Originally posted by Rank outsiderNow its my point that when one enters a marital union in full knowledge of the above and takes a vow to uphold these christian principles then consent has already been given to yield ones body to that of ones partner. The implications of this appear to me that [b]no so called 'marital rape' can therefore take place
You have unequivocally said that marital rape cannot take place in a Christian marriage.[/b]No i have questioned whether it can or cannot be termed marital rape and i have stated that it appears to me on the reasons i have given it cannot be construed as such for consent has already been given, but i am willing to consider any other perspective and refutation of my reasoning. This is not an unequivocal denial that marital rape can or cannot take place as you have assumed, its an intellectual stance based on reason, made with reference to a specific set of values. If you can refute the logic then do so and i will accept it.
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIs a Christian husband permitted to make his Christian wife submit to sexual intercourse against her will according to Christian principles?
No i have questioned whether it can or cannot be termed marital rape and i have stated that it appears to me on the reasons i have given it cannot be construed as such for Christians only who have submitted to that particular set of vows, but i am willing to consider any other perspective and refutation of my reasoning. This is not an unequivocal den ...[text shortened]... erence to a specific set of values. If you can refute the logic then do so and i will accept it.
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThis thread is for other Christians. Feel free to post but you will be ignored.
I made no such comment. I have not stated that the concept of marital rape is erroneous. If you can cite where i said it please produce it now. If you cannot then i would be pleased if you refrain from any further attempts to attribute values to me that i have not professed, its both intellectually and morally dishonest.
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDo you think that a woman can rightfully refuse to have sex with her husband in a Christian marriage?
No i have questioned whether it can or cannot be termed marital rape and i have stated that it appears to me on the reasons i have given it cannot be construed as such for Christians only who have submitted to that particular set of vows, but i am willing to consider any other perspective and refutation of my reasoning. This is not an unequivocal den ...[text shortened]... erence to a specific set of values. If you can refute the logic then do so and i will accept it.
If so, do you think that the man can ever choose to ignore this and proceed to have sex with his unwilling wife?
A simple 'yes' and 'no' would seem to suffice.
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by FMFI don't think that this would happen if both have submitted to the Christian principle of forgoing authority over their own bodies and in fact i don't see how it could be an issue. I notice that you have the rather unsavory propensity for making one sided arguments, the same principle applies to a husband in like manner after all he has also given up authority over his own body.
Is a Christian husband permitted to make his Christian wife submit to sexual intercourse against her will according to Christian principles?
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIs there - and can there be - such a thing as "marital rape" in the Christian perspective?
I don't think that this would happen if both have submitted to the Christian principle of forgoing authority over their own bodies and in fact i don't see how it could be an issue. I notice that you have the rather unsavory propensity for making one sided arguments, the same principle applies to a husband in like manner after all he has also given up authority over his own body.
Originally posted by Rank outsideragain you are failing to either understand or acknowledge, whether intentionally or not that a Christian foregos authority over their own body, so thus talking of exercising a personal prerogative in such a scenario is simply nonsensical.
Do you think that a woman can rightfully refuse to have sex with her husband in a Christian marriage?
If so, do you think that the man can ever choose to ignore this and proceed to have sex with his unwilling wife?
A simple 'yes' and 'no' would seem to suffice.
Sorry i don't do yes or no answers, they are for people that are not interested in reason, are you uninterested in reason? no well stop trying to reduce people to making some type of dichotomy.
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by FMFif you can can tell us how its possible that such a thing can occur after consent has been given then yes, if you cannot then logically no. You have failed to answer this from the very beginning because I suspect that by answering it you are forced to take a stance and will inevitably incriminate yourself .
Is there - and can there be - such a thing as "marital rape" in the Christian perspective?
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDo you understand or acknowledge that your stance represents a kind of rapist's charter? Do you think that "marital rape" in the UK should not be illegal because, as you suggest, marriage vows imply a right to sex at any time even if the partner is unwilling, and "no so called 'marital rape' can therefore take place"?.
again you are failing to either understand or acknowledge, whether intentionally or not that a Christian foregos authority over their own body, so thus talking of exercising a personal prerogative is such a scenario is simply nonsensical.