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It seems to me that the JW's and some Christians don't think the sacrifice of the Son of God was enough.
As C.S. Lewis pointed out, demonic teaching always insists one must have faith in Jesus and.....(insert whatever you will).. to be saved.
God has dealt with sin once and for all at the Cross. He knew we were too weak on our own, that there was no way we could ever pay for our own sins, so He sent His Son as a ransom to pay for the sins of the whole world.
The bible is chock full of scripture that delivers good news, such as ..
Rom 4:8
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin."
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It is because of this that God commands us to ...
Heb 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
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The only way we can come boldly to the throne of grace is knowing, believing what God has promised. That we have been redeemed, guaranteed eternal life, that we have been cleansed through the blood of Jesus Christ...
It is the conscience that convicts people of their unworthiness to their own hurt. It is not the way God looks at us. He looks at us through the lens of His dear Son, Jesus Christ who died in our stead. Why cannot people see the tremendous sacrifice of Jesus?
I think Jesus summed it up..
Luke 8:8
"He who has ears to hear, let him hear."
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There are those who wallow in their self misery and refuse to receive the free gift of God through faith by grace. It is a sad matter...They think it is too easy, they have to do something.
Well, you could start by believing God, receive His gift of salvation and thank Him by giving /submitting your life to Jesus.
Originally posted by checkbaiterenough for what, forgiveness of sins yes, the prospect of everlasting life yes, that you are now in a saved state, hardly, the scriptures do not support your point of view no matter how much you rant against Jehovah witnesses or others and no matter how many strawmen arguments or logical fallacies you attempt to utilise to discredit others and bolster this ludicrous teaching. RAJK is correct in everything that he has stated to date in this regard. If you think you are saved already, you are seriously deluded.
It seems to me that the JW's and some Christians don't think the sacrifice of the Son of God was enough.
As C.S. Lewis pointed out, demonic teaching always insists one must have faith in Jesus [b]and.....(insert whatever you will).. to be saved.
God has dealt with sin once and for all at the Cross. He knew we were too weak on our own, that there ...[text shortened]... eving God, receive His gift of salvation and thank Him by giving /submitting your life to Jesus.[/b]
Infact, if you are saved already, Jesus words to endure to the end make no sense, Pauls words to beware that you do not fall make no sense either.
Originally posted by checkbaiterLewis appears to be another moron himself.
It seems to me that the JW's and some Christians don't think the sacrifice of the Son of God was enough.
As C.S. Lewis pointed out, demonic teaching always insists one must have faith in Jesus [b]and.....(insert whatever you will).. to be saved.
God has dealt with sin once and for all at the Cross. He knew we were too weak on our own, that there ...[text shortened]... eving God, receive His gift of salvation and thank Him by giving /submitting your life to Jesus.[/b]
God has dealt with sin BUT YOU CANNOT CONTINUE IN SIN after you accept Christ. How many times did the Bible say that? There are serious and dire consequences to those who continue to sin and those consequences include eternal damnation.
The guarantee of eternal life is there for those who follow on in the footsteps of Christ and the Apostles.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt makes a mockery of Paul, Christ and all the Apostles. Worse it mocks God.
.. Infact, if you are saved already, Jesus words to endure to the end make no sense, Pauls words to beware that you do not fall make no sense either.
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. (Galatians 6:7-8 KJV)
Eternal life is reserved for those who live in the Spirit, NOT in the flesh.
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Originally posted by checkbaiterI like this; you (Lewis) are correct imo, Jesus is not enough for some people.
It seems to me that the JW's and some Christians don't think the sacrifice of the Son of God was enough. As C.S. Lewis pointed out, demonic teaching always insists one must have faith in Jesus [b]and.....(insert whatever you will).. to be saved.[/b]
Originally posted by divegeesterJesus is just a name for people like you pal. Jesus is just the guy who saved you but you continue to pay him lipservice if you need some idiot like Lewis to tell you what Jesus wants.
I like this; you (Lewis) are correct imo, Jesus is not enough for some people.
Jesus said that you must have good works otherwise you will not get salvation. Read Matt 25.
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Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. (Galatians 6:7-8 KJV)
The only negative thing a Christian living in the flesh can reap is the loss of eternal life ?
Is that the sole and only matter that sowing to the flesh can possibly reap ?
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Originally posted by Rajk999Where in Luke 16 does it say one redeemed by Jesus can lose eternal redemption and be unredeemed again ?
Read the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus in Luke 16
Where in Luke 16 does it say that one born again can become eternally lost or be un-born of God ?
Originally posted by sonshipAre you arguing with Paul again?Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. (Galatians 6:7-8 KJV)
The only negative thing a Christian living in the flesh can reap is the loss of ...[text shortened]... ternal life ?
Is that the sole and only matter that sowing to the flesh can possibly reap ?
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Jesus said that you must have good works otherwise you will not get salvation. Read Matt 25.
This is your best argument. But it is not quite good enough. But you are into one liners now.
Matthew 25:31-46 is a strong argument for some being eternally saved though they were ignorant of who Jesus Christ WAS.
It is not a strong argument that those who knew and believe who the Lord Jesus was could be lost eternally.
Matthew 25:31-46 does not concern the last judgment at the great white throne in Revelation 20. This judgment is of the living nations who survive through the great tribulation.
And that is a time of transition between the age of grace and the millennial kingdom. I can prove it.
Also Matthew 25:31-46 concerns not the sons of God who are born again. It concerns the nations who will be reigned over by the sons of God in the millennium and in the age following.
The enter into everlasting life in the same sense that Adam before he fell had an everlasting life being created very good. But Adam did not take God INTO him through the eating of the tree of life.
Originally posted by sonshipThe story is clear. If you are a selfish greedy bastard who cannot help the poor and do good works you will end up in eternal torment.
Where in Luke 16 does it say one redeemed by Jesus can lose eternal redemption and be unredeemed again ?
Where in Luke 16 does it say that one born again can become eternally lost or be un-born of God ?