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Originally posted by Tom WolseyThis means that in the case of the skeptic that dies in a state of unbelief and unrepentance -- God pre-ordained his or her life from beginning to bitter, tragic end.
This one gets me thinking. For the sake of argument, let's say the bible is absolutely correct, at least on the significant things related to doctrine.
God is omniscient, and knows everything that has or will come to pass. This means that in the case of the skeptic that dies in a state of unbelief and unrepentance -- God pre-ordained his or her life ...[text shortened]... have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all." (replace loved with lived)
Thoughts?
Can you state exactly what you mean by "unrepentance"? And by "unbelief"?
There seem more than a few conceptions as to what exactly "true repentance" entails.
While "belief" seems to be more standardized, there seem to be different conceptions of what it means to be a "true believer".
-Removed-No. I'm accepting the biblical premise that God knows our final destination even before we are born. That doesn't mean He willed it, just that He knows it. And in knowing it, what purpose could He have had in creating someone destined for destruction? I've worded it 3 different ways now. If I can't manage to spark conversation by THIS iteration, I'll just leave it alone and move on. It's not exactly a fun thing for people on either side to talk about. I get that.
Originally posted by FMFOy vey. 😞 In the context of the question posed in the original message, it doesn't even matter.
Do you mean "HELLFIRE" as a means of carrying out annihilation or "HELLFIRE" as a means of keeping non-believers 'alive' so that they can be tortured for eternity?
How strange and unfamiliar. Suicide now seems like a viable option.
Originally posted by Tom WolseyIt's significant though.
I guess it's my own fault, but.. it seems I want to live just a little less now.
[1] Why would a supernatural being create people who [or, at least, some of whom] are simply going to die and be buried?
[2] Why would a supernatural being create people when billions of them are going to be tortured in flames for eternity for not knowing about the supernatural being or not being convinced of its existence?
It's rather odd if you can't see how these two questions about "purpose" are completely different.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI'm talking about the well-known prerequisite states of mind and being, that the bible teaches us will result in damnation. It's coming back to me now. The pleasures of trying to make a simple point with fellow chess players. I will try to be very succinct in future thread creations, so as to leave little room for the discussion to devolve into semantics explanations, defining the context of the word "the," and other mundane, laborious obtusories, ending up 10 pages later never having discussed the simple subject at hand.
[b]This means that in the case of the skeptic that dies in a state of unbelief and unrepentance -- God pre-ordained his or her life from beginning to bitter, tragic end.
Can you state exactly what you mean by "unrepentance"? And by "unbelief"?
There seem more than a few conceptions as to what exactly "true repentance" entails.
While "belief" ...[text shortened]... e standardized, there seem to be different conceptions of what it means to be a "true believer".[/b]
Originally posted by Tom Wolsey🙂 And you can see some ask specific question, get direct answers, and they still go personal
I'm talking about the well-known prerequisite states of mind and being, that the bible teaches us will result in damnation. It's coming back to me now. The pleasures of trying to make a simple point with fellow chess players. I will try to be very succinct in future thread creations, so as to leave little room for the discussion to devolve into semanti ...[text shortened]... aborious obtusories, ending up 10 pages later never having discussed the simple subject at hand.
never addressing the point at all for pages if at all.