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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/04/12/two-thirds-of-millennials-dont-know-what-auschwitz-is-according-to-study-of-fading-holocaust-knowledge/?noredirect=on&__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR0kWNV40MdrqWI0cI9jBYLOzGsxPjY4Fnds51w0bmSQTGAo-19P-Qz7zjk

    Unfortunately, now surprising that millenials don't know what Auschwitz was.

    And I bet, the 1/3 that do know what Auschwitz was thinks that the Nazi party had nothing to do with Socialism and everything to do with Trump.
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    28 Jan '19 15:38
    Whodey: these dastardly millennials don't know about Nazism!
    Also whodey: I don't know about Nazism.
  3. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    28 Jan '19 19:04
    @whodey said
    Unfortunately, now surprising that millenials don't know what Auschwitz was.
    Similar results in UK are quite shocking.
    It is a failure of education - as you are yourself.
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    28 Jan '19 19:10
    @whodey said
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/04/12/two-thirds-of-millennials-dont-know-what-auschwitz-is-according-to-study-of-fading-holocaust-knowledge/?noredirect=on&__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR0kWNV40MdrqWI0cI9jBYLOzGsxPjY4Fnds51w0bmSQTGAo-19P-Qz7zjk

    Unfortunately, now surprising that millenials don't know what Auschwitz was.

    And I bet, ...[text shortened]... itz was thinks that the Nazi party had nothing to do with Socialism and everything to do with Trump.
    millenials don't know what Auschwitz was.


    You've demonstrated many times, you're no Rhodes Scholar yourself Mr. Whooters, so I'd think twice before dumping on other people. Millenials are not as dumb as you think.
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    @mchill said
    millenials don't know what Auschwitz was.


    You've demonstrated many times, you're no Rhodes Scholar yourself Mr. Whooters, so I'd think twice before dumping on other people. Millenials are not as dumb as you think.
    I blame charter schools.
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    @whodey said
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/04/12/two-thirds-of-millennials-dont-know-what-auschwitz-is-according-to-study-of-fading-holocaust-knowledge/?noredirect=on&__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR0kWNV40MdrqWI0cI9jBYLOzGsxPjY4Fnds51w0bmSQTGAo-19P-Qz7zjk

    Unfortunately, now surprising that millenials don't know what Auschwitz was.

    And I bet, ...[text shortened]... itz was thinks that the Nazi party had nothing to do with Socialism and everything to do with Trump.
    Since you've been schooled about this in this forum numerous times, and should know better, I can only assume that you just choose to lie about it.
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    When are we moving to Lapland?
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    @suzianne said
    I blame charter schools.
    Well it was either that or Trump.

    It was a 50/50 prediction.

    But that's what we love about you Suzy, predictability.
  9. Zugzwang
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    @whodey said
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/04/12/two-thirds-of-millennials-dont-know-what-auschwitz-is-according-to-study-of-fading-holocaust-knowledge/?noredirect=on&__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR0kWNV40MdrqWI0cI9jBYLOzGsxPjY4Fnds51w0bmSQTGAo-19P-Qz7zjk

    Unfortunately, now surprising that millenials don't know what Auschwitz was.

    And I bet, ...[text shortened]... itz was thinks that the Nazi party had nothing to do with Socialism and everything to do with Trump.
    Most Americans (including Whodey) are full of historical ignorance.
    Why should alleged American ignorance of Auschwitz be regarded as more
    disturbing than, say, American ignorance of genocides committed by the USA?

    By the way, if one visits Auschwitz today, one may find that the Polish government's
    approved version of history (denying any Polish collaboration with the Nazis)
    differs from versions of history accepted by most American historians.
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    @duchess64 said
    Most Americans (including Whodey) are full of historical ignorance.
    Why should alleged American ignorance of Auschwitz be regarded as more
    disturbing than, say, American ignorance of genocides committed by the USA?

    By the way, if one visits Auschwitz today, one may find that the Polish government's
    approved version of history (denying any Polish collaboration with the Nazis)
    differs from versions of history accepted by most American historians.
    Most Chinese (including Duchess64) are ignorant of the history of China's genocidal oppression.
    Why should alleged ignorance of Uhyghur concentration camps be regarded as more disturbing than China's mass killing of its own people during the "Great Leap Forward"?


    By the way, if one visits Xinjiang today, one may find that the Chinese government presents the state approved version of history. (Denying any Han collaboration with the Communists.)

    This differs from verified versions of history accepted by most American scholars and investigative reporters.
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    @duchess64 said
    Most Americans (including Whodey) are full of historical ignorance.
    Why should alleged American ignorance of Auschwitz be regarded as more
    disturbing than, say, American ignorance of genocides committed by the USA?

    By the way, if one visits Auschwitz today, one may find that the Polish government's
    approved version of history (denying any Polish collaboration with the Nazis)
    differs from versions of history accepted by most American historians.
    What have I said that was inaccurate? What does Polish collaboration have to even do with the price of tea in China?

    This from a person who maintains that Al Husseini, who was wanted for war crimes with the Nazi regime, was really a good guy?

    Try again.
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    @wolfe63 said
    Most Chinese (including Duchess64) are ignorant of the history of China's genocidal oppression.
    Why should alleged ignorance of Uhyghur concentration camps be regarded as more disturbing than China's mass killing of its own people during the "Great Leap Forward"?


    By the way, if one visits Xinjiang today, one may find that the Chinese government presents the state approv ...[text shortened]... rs from verified versions of history accepted by most American scholars and investigative reporters.
    Listen, every last culture on this Leftist forsaken planet has a history of genocide.

    But as with Auschwitz, most in Leftist run schools are not taught this.

    This is because that the most murderous people on the planet have been communist/socialist.

    Like ISIS blowing up historical relic after historical relic while flat out denying the Holocaust altogether, they must do this to sell their dogma.

    And this is the dogma, human nature is not inherently good, which is why centralizing power equals a death sentence to a large number of the populace.
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    @wolfe63 said
    Most Chinese (including Duchess64) are ignorant of the history of China's genocidal oppression.
    Why should alleged ignorance of Uhyghur concentration camps be regarded as more disturbing than China's mass killing of its own people during the "Great Leap Forward"

    By the way, if one visits Xinjiang today, one may find that the Chinese government presents the state approved ...[text shortened]... rs from verified versions of history accepted by most American scholars and investigative reporters.
    The racist jingoistic troll Wolfe63 spews more hate and nonsense.

    "Most Chinese (including Duchess64) ..."
    --Wolfe63

    I already have written that I am NOT a citizen of the People's Republic of China.
    But the racist troll Wolfe63 apparently wants to lump together everyone whom he
    assumes has any Chinese heritage. Yo-Yo Ma (the cellist) = Mao Zedong, right?

    "....are ignorant of the history of China's genocidal oppression."
    --Wolfe63

    In fact, most Chinese (particularly those who lived through it) are aware of calamities
    such as the Great Leap Forward, which resulted in tens of millions of deaths, though
    Mao's misguided policies were not intended to result in 'genocide'.

    I don't know of any other *proven* claims by genocide recently committed by China.
    I am aware of an active propaganda campaign (which the Western media almost
    always accepts without question) by 'Free Tibet' nationalists, claiming 'genocide'.
    When Patrick French (a British writer and longtime supporter of 'Free Tibet' ) attempted
    to find any reliable Tibetan (!) sources to support popular Tibetan nationalist claims
    that 1.2 million Tibetans have been killed, he was unable to come close to doing so.
    At one point, he concluded that Tibetan nationalists seem to have taken the highest
    rumored number of deaths in every area (including some overlapping, so doing
    some double-counting), added them together, and rounded up very generously.
    One Tibetan nationalist official told him that it really does NOT matter what figure
    (1.2 million, 2 million, or more deaths) Tibetan propagandists claim to the Western
    media because Western journalists almost never ask any critical questions and immediately
    accept it, eager to help demonize China. The 1.2 million figure has become accepted
    by Sinophobic Westerners on account of endless repetition, not factual sources.
    Patrick French himself (grudgingly) concluded that Free Tibet propaganda routinely
    greatly exaggerates Chinese wrongdoing.

    That's not to say that the Chinese authorities have been blameless in Tibet.
    But for many years, the USA and India actively financed, armed, trained, and led
    (CIA commanders parachuted into Tibet) a Tibetan nationalist army fighting against China.
    This Tibetan force was (arguably) among the best supplied guerrillas in the world.
    But the emigre Tibetans (and their American and Indian backers) lost their war
    largely because they failed to inspire enough Tibetans to join their insurgency.
    Given that China was fighting against an insurgency actively supported by two major
    foreign powers (USA and India), some of its policies were justified in defeating it.
    So the question becomes whether China's repression in Tibet was much worse
    than commonly found in counter-insurgency campaigns elsewhere.

    Given that Wolfe63 seems eager to accept everything anti-Chinese anywhere at face value,
    when will the troll Wolfe63 reiterate claims by right-wing Japanese nationalists
    that Japan fought a heroic defensive war (1931-45) against unprovoked Chinese aggression?
    Would Wolfe63 be one of the Westerners who wishes that Japan had conquered China?

    Does Wolfe63 have any proof that the Xinjiang camps for Uighurs are Nazi-like
    genocidal concentration camps? Are these camps much worse than the USA's
    camps for Japanese Americans (who were confined in facilities, such as former
    horse stables, that the US government had regarded as unfit for human habitation)?

    The news (or, more often, rumors) about the camps in Xinjiang may be a matter for concern.
    But there's no proof (though people who always hate China need no proof) that
    the most sensationalist rumors must be true. Are Uighurs in these camps being
    treated more harshly than the USA's Muslim prisoners at Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib?

    Admiral Zheng He (of Muslim heritage) is extolled as a national hero in China.
    Can Wolfe63 name any Muslim (except Muhammad Ali, a sportsman) who's
    extolled as a national hero in the USA?

    My point is that Muslims have long lived in and interacted with Chinese civilization.
    My impression is that most Chinese are less likely than most Americans to stereotype
    Muslims as 'terrorists'. There are 'patriotic' Muslims on active service in the PLA.
    (Tibet's Muslim minority tends to oppose strongly the Buddhist Tibetan nationalists.)
    But, in contrast to the USA, China has an active separatist movement involving one
    of its major Muslim communities.

    I suspect that Wolfe63 could not care less about the Uighurs. He presumably
    would gladly demonize the Uighurs as 'terrorists' if they were killing Westerners.

    If Wolfe63 ever met anyone who lives in the People's Republic of China, he may
    find (though he's close-minded enough not to notice) that they are very different
    from the cherished stereotypes of his racist fantasies.
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    @wolfe63 said
    Most Chinese (including Duchess64) are ignorant of the history of China's genocidal oppression.
    Why should alleged ignorance of Uhyghur concentration camps be regarded as more disturbing than China's mass killing of its own people during the "Great Leap Forward"?

    By the way, if one visits Xinjiang today, one may find that the Chinese government presents the state approv rs from verified versions of history accepted by most American scholars and investigative reporters.
    The USA waged a brutal war of conquest (nearly genocidal), resulting in the deaths
    of hundred of thousands of Filipino civilians. The Americans routinely tortured
    prisoners, massacred villages, and imposed a stringent blockade on food in order
    to starve areas of resistance into surrender. This subject remains almost completely
    ignored by US history textbooks to this day.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine%E2%80%93American_War

    The jingoistic American troll Wolfe63 presumably approves of what the USA did
    in the Philippines and would prefer that US war crimes be censored or denied.

    Dutch GM Hans Ree has a hypothesis that Bobby Fischer became 'anti-American'
    after his Filipino friends informed him of how brutally the USA had acted in the Philippines.
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    05 Feb '19 00:24
    @whodey said
    What have I said that was inaccurate? What does Polish collaboration have to even do with the price of tea in China?

    This from a person who maintains that Al Husseini, who was wanted for war crimes with the Nazi regime, was really a good guy?

    Try again.
    The lying troll Whodey keeps lying as usual about what I wrote.

    My point is that the history of Auschwitz remains in some dispute.
    History is not engraved on stone tablets by a Supreme Historian on high.

    Given the US government's affinity with Poland's hard right-wing government,
    the US government may be reluctant (in contrast to some Jewish groups) to
    criticize Poland's government for denying Polish anti-Semitism in history.
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