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  1. Zugzwang
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    06 Mar '17 22:17
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/13/barack-obama-legacy-racism-criminal-justice-system

    "Barack Obama's original sin: America's post-racial illusion:
    Barack Obama’s refusal to use his position as president to intervene on
    behalf of African Americans is a stain on his record many activists will never forget."

    "Obama has and will always poll high among African Americans, but
    that should not be mistaken for blind support for him or the policies he
    champions. As long as members of the Republican party treat Obama in
    a brazenly racist manner, black people will defend him because they
    understand that those attacks against Obama serve as a proxy for
    attacks on them."
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    06 Mar '17 22:20
    Obama will be remembered for two things at home, Obamacare, which will soon be replaced, and the era of the rise of racial tensions and partisanship.

    That's about it.
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    06 Mar '17 22:39
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/13/barack-obama-legacy-racism-criminal-justice-system

    "Barack Obama's original sin: America's post-racial illusion:
    Barack Obama’s refusal to use his position as president to intervene on
    behalf of African Americans is a stain on his record many activists will never forget."

    "Obama has and will always po ...[text shortened]... ause they
    understand that those attacks against Obama serve as a proxy for
    attacks on them."
    "Obama has and will always poll high among African Americans, but
    that should not be mistaken for blind support for him

    Wrong, it is blind support, period.
  4. Standard memberHandyAndy
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    06 Mar '17 23:01
    Originally posted by whodey
    Obama will be remembered for two things at home, Obamacare, which will soon be replaced, and the era of the rise of racial tensions and partisanship.

    That's about it.
    Obama's accomplishments will be recorded by historians who know better.
  5. Unknown Territories
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    06 Mar '17 23:20
    Originally posted by whodey
    Obama will be remembered for two things at home, Obamacare, which will soon be replaced, and the era of the rise of racial tensions and partisanship.

    That's about it.
    When the MSM is told to let loose on him and his "legacy," among many other crimes, he will be remembered as the first president with a Photoshopped birth certificate.
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    07 Mar '17 00:501 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/13/barack-obama-legacy-racism-criminal-justice-system

    "Barack Obama's original sin: America's post-racial illusion:
    Barack Obama’s refusal to use his position as president to intervene on
    behalf of African Americans is a stain on his record many activists will never forget."

    "Obama has and will always po ...[text shortened]... ause they
    understand that those attacks against Obama serve as a proxy for
    attacks on them."
    I would totally agree with this.

    Not to mention he nearly put America in the toilet with all his Presidential signed laws against coal and drilling etc.
    The modern coal burning plants are putting out only 1 or 2% pollutant, if i recall that is 15% below the rating it is required by law. And propane plants that are becoming very popular in the power community have near 0% pollutants.

    The so called savior of Pres. Obama, the windmills, what a joke. I have hauled many windmill motors 150,000 Lbs. It is now only the new windmills that are actually producing the amount of electricity that they boasted of. Any windmill you see that is less than 5 tower pieces high do not produce the so call 300,000 k. The only 5 piece towers i know of are in the state of Main.

    By the way, the new blades are going to be 330 long. Wait till you see those one the freeways.
  7. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    07 Mar '17 01:36
    Originally posted by whodey
    Obama will be remembered for two things at home, Obamacare, which will soon be replaced, and the era of the rise of racial tensions and partisanship.

    That's about it.
    He'll be remembered as the first black president more than anything else.
  8. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    07 Mar '17 01:372 edits
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    [b]"Obama has and will always poll high among African Americans, but
    that should not be mistaken for blind support for him

    Wrong, it is blind support, period.[/b]
    You mean like support from blacks for O.J. Simpson during his 9 month trial in late 90's?
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    07 Mar '17 01:40
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    He'll be remembered as the first black president more than anything else.
    Before Obama, Bill Clinton had that title.
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    07 Mar '17 02:381 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "Barack Obama’s refusal to use his position as president to intervene on
    behalf of African Americans is a stain on his record many activists will never forget."
    Obama met with black civil rights leader Al Sharpton over 63 times; one of those included an "emergency summit" with black community leaders in Chicago to try to solve gun violence.

    That's not exactly "refusal" to use his position for black rights.
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    07 Mar '17 02:511 edit
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    He'll be remembered as the first black president more than anything else.
    Wrong!

    That was Bill Clinton. In fact, I bet Bill has more African blood than Obama but you would never know that because you only judge people based on the color of their skin.
  12. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    07 Mar '17 03:28
    Originally posted by whodey
    Wrong!

    That was Bill Clinton. In fact, I bet Bill has more African blood than Obama but you would never know that because you only judge people based on the color of their skin.
    No, I read the papers. But whatever.
    You Americans just cant handle outsiders making observations about your country.
    Bad luck , it happens all the time, specially now in trump hour.
    Wire tappin' ...gimme a break
  13. Zugzwang
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    07 Mar '17 20:583 edits
    Originally posted by vivify
    Obama met with black civil rights leader Al Sharpton over 63 times; one of those included an "emergency summit"
    with black community leaders in Chicago to try to solve gun violence.

    That's not exactly "refusal" to use his position for black rights.
    What did all these meetings lead to in terms of policies to help (poor) African Americans?
    Vivify might fantasize that the meetings of the glacial Israeli-Palestinian 'peace process' have led
    to much more than political cover for Israel to keep stealing Palestinian land and build Jewish settlements.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/barack-obama-legacy-presidency

    "Pity the sad legacy of Barack Obama:
    Our hope and change candidate fell short time and time again.
    Obama cheerleaders who refused to make him accountable bear some responsibility."
    --Cornel West

    Is Vivify another "Obama cheerleader who refuses to make him accountable'?
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    07 Mar '17 21:18
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    What did all these meetings lead to in terms of policies to help (poor) African Americans?
    Vivify might fantasize that the meetings of the glacial Israeli-Palestinian 'peace process' have led
    to much more than political cover for Israel to keep stealing Palestinian land and build Jewish settlements.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/0 ...[text shortened]... ."
    --Cornel West

    Is Vivify another "Obama cheerleader who refuses to make him accountable'?
    Andy is an Obama Cheer leader.
  15. Standard membervivify
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    08 Mar '17 01:342 edits
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    What did all these meetings lead to in terms of policies to help (poor) African Americans?
    Vivify might fantasize that the meetings of the glacial Israeli-Palestinian 'peace process' have led
    to much more than political cover for Israel to keep stealing Palestinian land and build Jewish settlements.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/0 ...[text shortened]... ."
    --Cornel West

    Is Vivify another "Obama cheerleader who refuses to make him accountable'?
    Your article claims Obama showed "refusal" to use his position to help blacks, which is false. Failing to succeed in helping blacks does not equal "refusal" to do so.

    Obama meeting with black civil rights leader Al Sharpton over 63 times, including a summit with black leaders in Chicago, is obviously not "refusal" help blacks.
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