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  1. 12 Aug '15 11:49
    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/latest-national-poll-shows-bernie-sanders-beating-scott-walker-donald-trump-and-jeb-bush/


    maybe dreaming about president sanders might not be such a far fetched dream after all.
    sanders most difficult campaign might be to beat hillary clinton. she is still ahead in polls, but it's still early.
  2. 12 Aug '15 12:28
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/latest-national-poll-shows-bernie-sanders-beating-scott-walker-donald-trump-and-jeb-bush/


    maybe dreaming about president sanders might not be such a far fetched dream after all.
    sanders most difficult campaign might be to beat hillary clinton. she is still ahead in polls, but it's still early.
    Bernie has a good chance to win IF we can get Democrats to the polls and allowed to vote. Between voter ID and gerrymandering, this might be difficult. I am also suspicious of electronic voting machines that do not generate a clear paper copy. For those terrified of a social democrat, keep in mind Congress and SCOTUS will constantly clip his wings. At the very least, his campaign's success so far indicates that a large percentage of the general public is sick and tired of GOP clowns who make a mockery of human rights in the U.S. under the false pretense of religious values. If the GOP candidates were truly patriotic, they would stop trying to turn the U.S. into a Christian theocracy, they would promote taxing the rich to provide universal health care, secondary education funding for all who desire an advanced education, renewable energy and improving the infrastructure in order to strengthen the nation's economic future. A strong economy is as important as a strong military. The SCOTUS Citizen's United ruling makes it very easy to hide foreign dollars which then fund U.S. campaigns. It's a great back door for foreign influence to insert itself into both parties.
  3. Subscriber KingDavid403
    King David
    12 Aug '15 12:49 / 7 edits
    Originally posted by Phranny
    Bernie has a good chance to win IF we can get Democrats to the polls and allowed to vote. Between voter ID and gerrymandering, this might be difficult. I am also suspicious of electronic voting machines that do not generate a clear paper copy. For those terrified of a social democrat, keep in mind Congress and SCOTUS will constantly clip his wings. At th ...[text shortened]... .S. campaigns. It's a great back door for foreign influence to insert itself into both parties.
    Well said. Democrats usually get to the polls during a Presidential election. It's the Mid-terms that they suck at. The Dems could have easily won the Mid-terms this last time if they would have got off their arses and voted. Less than 36% of people voted in the mid-terms. Now that is just plain sad. I know Bernie has my vote in the primary's. A Christian theocracy is what destroyed Rome. Rome did just fine until they became a Christian theocracy. The moment they did, they started to crumble. Separation of church and state is the only answer until Jesus comes back and our founding fathers knew this. People just have to many different beliefs, even among Christian sects.
  4. 12 Aug '15 19:54
    Personally, I hope that Bernie Sanders does become the next President of the United States.
    But I remember the fate of Eugene Victor Debs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs
  5. Standard member vivify
    rain
    12 Aug '15 20:15 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/latest-national-poll-shows-bernie-sanders-beating-scott-walker-donald-trump-and-jeb-bush/


    maybe dreaming about president sanders might not be such a far fetched dream after all.
    sanders most difficult campaign might be to beat hillary clinton. she is still ahead in polls, but it's still early.
    Sanders is such a long shot compared to Hillary, that this type of post will only get my hopes up, only to be let down and choose between two candidates I don't really care about. This reminds me too much of Ron Paul: an honest, ideologically consistent non-conformist candidate, who faded away.
  6. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    12 Aug '15 23:23
    Sanders is leading Clinton 44% - 37% in a recent New Hampshire poll.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/politics/poll-bernie-sanders-hilary-clinton-new-hampshire/index.html
  7. 12 Aug '15 23:45
    I have to say, it's nice to see Dims actually get exited about voting again.
  8. Standard member vivify
    rain
    13 Aug '15 16:03
    Originally posted by whodey
    get exited
    *excited*
  9. 13 Aug '15 18:31 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by vivify
    *excited*
    Sure.

    Those that I know who are voting for him, there is like a child like glow in their eye. I don't know of any other voters like this whether they are voting for Hillary or the stooge GOP candidate of your choice.

    Hope and change I reckon.
  10. 13 Aug '15 18:34
    For the sake of argument, let's assume Bernie wins.

    Could we then assume that the Dim party is now officially a socialist party?
  11. 13 Aug '15 21:18
    Originally posted by whodey
    For the sake of argument, let's assume Bernie wins.

    Could we then assume that the Dim party is now officially a socialist party?
    Why the thumbs down?

    Are you people socialistphobes?

    Why not be proud about it?
  12. 13 Aug '15 21:27 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Personally, I hope that Bernie Sanders does become the next President of the United States.
    But I remember the fate of Eugene Victor Debs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs
    If Bernie Sanders became the Democratic nominee in the 2016 presidential election,
    could he do better than George McGovern did in the 1972 presidential election?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_McGovern
  13. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    13 Aug '15 21:57
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    If Bernie Sanders became the Democratic nominee in the 2016 presidential election,
    could he do better than George McGovern did in the 1972 presidential election?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_McGovern
    Did Ronald Reagan in 1980 do better than Barry Goldwater in 1964?
  14. 13 Aug '15 22:37 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Did Ronald Reagan in 1980 do better than Barry Goldwater in 1964?
    Yes, but Ronald Reagan in 1980 was not perceived as so 'extreme' as Barry Goldwater was in 1964.

    'Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.'
    --Barry Goldwater (1964)

    I wish that George McGovern had been elected US President in 1972. But, apart from
    his errors in campaigning and Richard Nixon's 'dirty tricks', George McGovern seems
    to have been perceived as 'too far left' in 1972. It's generally accepted that American
    voters have moved significantly more toward the political right-wing since that time.
    Given that George McGovern was not 'more left-wing' than Bernie Sanders, I wonder
    how Bernie Sanders would fare among generally more right-wing American voters in 2016.
    That said, Bernie Sanders, unlike George McGovern, would not have to defeat an incumbent President.
  15. 13 Aug '15 22:53
    Originally posted by Phranny
    Bernie has a good chance to win IF we can get Democrats to the polls and allowed to vote. Between voter ID and gerrymandering, this might be difficult. I am also suspicious of electronic voting machines that do not generate a clear paper copy. For those terrified of a social democrat, keep in mind Congress and SCOTUS will constantly clip his wings. At th ...[text shortened]... .S. campaigns. It's a great back door for foreign influence to insert itself into both parties.
    Between voter ID and gerrymandering, this might be difficult.

    Please, Democrats are into gerrymandering just as much or more so than Republicans. and the issue of voter ID is a smokescreen. Does victory require counting non eligible voters? There is no barrier preventing citizens from getting a picture ID, regardless of income, education, or social status.