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    16 Jul '18 23:561 edit
    "Putin offered to question the 12 indicted for meddling in the election, and added that Mueller's team of investigators could be present for questioning, if U.S. officials would “reciprocate.” He suggested this would mean Russian agents could be present for questioning U.S. officers "of interest" to them. "

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/16/trump-blasts-mueller-probe-putin-denies-meddling-as-leaders-tout-summit-as-success.html
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    17 Jul '18 00:15
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    "Putin offered to question the 12 indicted for meddling in the election, and added that Mueller's team of investigators could be present for questioning, if U.S. officials would “reciprocate.” He suggested this would mean Russian agents could be present for questioning U.S. officers "of interest" to them. "

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/16/trump-blasts-mueller-probe-putin-denies-meddling-as-leaders-tout-summit-as-success.html
    So everything Trump and Pukin did is ok with you. Got it.
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    17 Jul '18 00:34
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    So everything Trump and Pukin did is ok with you. Got it.
    are you people sane? wtf has your reply have to do with what I posted?
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    BTW...I heard Trump is going to give Iran nuclear capability and give them a few billion$ ...what you think of that?
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    17 Jul '18 02:02
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    "Putin offered to question the 12 indicted for meddling in the election, and added that Mueller's team of investigators could be present for questioning, if U.S. officials would “reciprocate.” He suggested this would mean Russian agents could be present for questioning U.S. officers "of interest" to them. "

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/16/trump-blasts-mueller-probe-putin-denies-meddling-as-leaders-tout-summit-as-success.html
    You are right, it will never happen. An honest discussion of hacking is in Putin's interest, not the FBI and CIA. The news media would be forced to report it and they don't want that.

    Can you imagine talk of the CIA's UMBRAGE in the news here in the USA? People would question our own government's intentions. It will never happen. The omission of UMBRAGE in the corporate news media will continue.
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    17 Jul '18 02:03
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    BTW...I heard Trump is going to give Iran nuclear capability and give them a few billion$ ...what you think of that?
    He already did that when he reneged on the deal that was keeping Iran in check.
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    17 Jul '18 02:09
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    "Putin offered to question the 12 indicted for meddling in the election, and added that Mueller's team of investigators could be present for questioning, if U.S. officials would “reciprocate.” He suggested this would mean Russian agents could be present for questioning U.S. officers "of interest" to them. "

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/16/trump-blasts-mueller-probe-putin-denies-meddling-as-leaders-tout-summit-as-success.html
    You seriously think the US should accept that?
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    17 Jul '18 14:06
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    "Putin offered to question the 12 indicted for meddling in the election, and added that Mueller's team of investigators could be present for questioning, if U.S. officials would “reciprocate.” He suggested this would mean Russian agents could be present for questioning U.S. officers "of interest" to them. "

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/16/trump-blasts-mueller-probe-putin-denies-meddling-as-leaders-tout-summit-as-success.html
    You seriously are citing Faux news?
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    17 Jul '18 15:39
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    You seriously think the US should accept that?
    why shouldn't they?
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    17 Jul '18 15:51
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    why shouldn't they?
    Putin should be the last person to question the very people he sicked on the American Democratic institution.

    But then again, you're a dumba$$.
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    17 Jul '18 16:34
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    why shouldn't they?
    I'll let Dara Lind explain it to ya:

    In other words, this is Putin’s “interesting idea” to address exhaustively documented allegations that employees of the Russian government tried to interfere in the 2016 presidential campaign by hacking into, and publishing, private emails from one major party in the campaign:

    1. Have Russian government officials ask other Russian government officials if the Russian government told them to commit a crime.

    2. Let US officials watch Russian officials ask other Russian officials if the Russian government told them to commit a crime.

    3. Send Russian officials into the US to investigate allegations against domestic critics of Vladimir Putin.

    But if Putin offered a quid pro quo, Trump appears to have heard only a favor. He later praised Putin for his willingness in cooperating in the investigation into his own government:

    What he did is an incredible offer. He offered to have the people working on the case come and work with their investigators with respect to the 12 people. I think that’s an incredible offer.

    It is “incredible” — in that it is extremely hard to believe that a government whose employees are being investigated by a foreign country is going to participate, in good faith, in that investigation while denying out of hand that any wrongdoing took place. But Trump appears to believe just that.

    https://www.vox.com/2018/7/16/17576788/putin-trump-meeting-election-idea-hacking

    The investigation as regards these 12 Russian intelligence agents is over; the evidence was presented to a Grand Jury that found probable cause to indict them for crimes against the United States. We don't need Putin stooges "investigating" other Putin stooges; if Putin wants to assert their innocence, he should surrender them to the US for trial.
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    17 Jul '18 18:41
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    I'll let Dara Lind explain it to ya:

    In other words, this is Putin’s “interesting idea” to address exhaustively documented allegations that employees of the Russian government tried to interfere in the 2016 presidential campaign by hacking into, and publishing, private emails from one major party in the campaign:

    1. Have Russian government officia ...[text shortened]... stooges; if Putin wants to assert their innocence, he should surrender them to the US for trial.
    ummm. putin offered to let mueller question them...why are you lying?
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    17 Jul '18 18:41
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    Putin should be the last person to question the very people he sicked on the American Democratic institution.

    But then again, you're a dumba$$.
    see my reply to the snitch
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    17 Jul '18 19:031 edit
    Originally posted by @no1marauder to Mott-the-Hoopie
    I'll let Dara Lind explain it to ya:

    In other words, this is Putin’s “interesting idea” to address exhaustively documented allegations that employees of the Russian government tried to interfere in the 2016 presidential campaign by hacking into, and publishing, private emails from one major party in the campaign:

    1. Have Russian ...[text shortened]... stooges; if Putin wants to assert their innocence, he should surrender them to the US for trial.
    Many non-Americans have similar objections to the USA disingenuously 'investigating'
    US war crimes, which the USA has a long record of denying, excusing, or covering up.
    The USA has long objected to (neutral) international oversight over US war crimes.

    "If Putin wants to assert their innocence, he should surrender them to the US for trial..."
    --No1Marauder

    Even Russians who oppose Putin doubt that the accused Russians would receive
    a fair trial in the extremely politicized USA today.

    Why should Americans have anything against the accused Russians personally?
    Assuming that they did what they have been accused of doing, these Russians were loyal
    to their country and followed their orders, not physically harming any American in the process.

    When will the USA extradite its CIA agents for interfering in other countries' elections?
    Would the USA extradite a CIA agent for killing an innocent person in a foreign country?
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    17 Jul '18 19:041 edit
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    ummm. putin offered to let mueller question them...why are you lying?
    No, he didn't. He offered to let Mueller's team observe Russians interrogating them, which would be a complete waste of time.

    At any rate, they are already indicted; there is no need to question them (it would be improper to question them anyway without their counsel being present).

    EDIT: Putin's exact quote:

    We have an existing agreement between the United States of America and the Russian Federation, an existing treaty that dates back to 1999: the mutual assistance on criminal cases. [...] This treaty has specific legal procedures we can offer. The appropriate commission headed by Mueller, he can use this as a solid foundation and send an official request to us so that we would interrogate, hold questioning of these individuals who he believes are privy to some crimes. Our enforcement are perfectly able to do this questioning and send the appropriate materials to the United States.

    Moreover, we can meet you halfway. We can make another step. We can actually permit representatives of the United States, including the members of this very commission headed by Mr. Mueller, we can let them into the country. They will be present at questioning.

    https://www.vox.com/2018/7/16/17576788/putin-trump-meeting-election-idea-hacking


    You really should stop claiming people are "lying" when you are ignorant of the facts.
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