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  1. 16 Sep '10 20:42 / 1 edit
    On 10/2/10 there will be a counter rally sponsered by the NAACP to celebrate the "accomplishments" statism.

    http://www.northjersey.com/news/102367459_NAACP_promotes_10_2_D_C__rally.html

    As the article states, "all people of good will are now led to attend this event to show support for progressive policies that are designed to help all members of society."

    So who is with me? Everyone give three cheers for Obamacare!!
  2. 16 Sep '10 20:57
    Originally posted by whodey
    On 10/2/10 there will be a counter rally sponsered by the NAACP to celebrate the "accomplishments" statism.

    http://www.northjersey.com/news/102367459_NAACP_promotes_10_2_D_C__rally.html

    As the article states, "all people of good will are now led to attend this event to show support for progressive policies that are designed to help all members of society."

    So who is with me? Everyone give three cheers for Obamacare!!
    Someone should do a poll and ask people on Main Street a list of basic factual questions about what the "Obamacare" law actually is. I wonder what percentage of the population would get them right?
  3. 16 Sep '10 20:58
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    Someone should do a poll and ask people on Main Street a list of basic factual questions about what the "Obamacare" law actually is. I wonder what percentage of the population would get them right?
    And then refer the people who get the answers wrong to the death panels?
  4. 16 Sep '10 21:16
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    Someone should do a poll and ask people on Main Street a list of basic factual questions about what the "Obamacare" law actually is. I wonder what percentage of the population would get them right?
    Start with members of Congress.
  5. 16 Sep '10 22:11 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    Start with members of Congress.
    no - let's start with Main Street.

    you constantly hear the endless refrain of "those Washington elites are totally out of touch with the regular people - why don't they ever listen to us?" But I suspect that if you asked people on Main Street basic factual questions about what's in Obamacare or what's in the financial reforms or what was in Obama's stimulus plan, or what TARP was or what the proposed cap and trade system consisted of -- you'd get a LOT of really blank stares -- I've always wondered why pollsters never seem to ask these types of questions.

    at best, you'd probably get something like "Obama's a socialist Muslim who wants the government to take over Medicare".

    so maybe much of the problem would be solved if all those folks on Main Street were to make more of an effort to get in touch with Washington -- find out what's in the various bills being offered in Congress and be able to offer a well thought out opinion about why you favor or oppose these things. Obama isn't going to make personal phone calls to every American citizen to explain everything that he and Congress are doing - citizens need to get off their duff and inform themselves.
  6. 17 Sep '10 00:18
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    no - let's start with Main Street.

    you constantly hear the endless refrain of "those Washington elites are totally out of touch with the regular people - why don't they ever listen to us?" But I suspect that if you asked people on Main Street basic factual questions about what's in Obamacare or what's in the financial reforms or what was in Obama's st ...[text shortened]... d Congress are doing - citizens need to get off their duff and inform themselves.
    I bet if you ask them how much $13 trillion dollars is you would get a lot of blank stares as well.
  7. 17 Sep '10 00:19 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
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    so maybe much of the problem would be solved if all those folks on Main Street were to make more of an effort to get in touch with Washington -- find out what's in the various bills being offered in Congress and be able to offer a well thought out opinion about why you favor or oppose these things. Obama isn't going to make personal phone calls to every ...[text shortened]... ng that he and Congress are doing - citizens need to get off their duff and inform themselves.[/b]
    Have you read through Obamacare? Have you read through the financial reform bill? Can you tell me where all the TARP money and stimulus money went? Can you tell me how the stimulus money has helped the economy?

    But enough of all this bitter drival. This is a time to celbrate Big Brother. So lets celebrate a $13 trillion national debt and legislation that is thousands of pages long. You know, I never thought they could pass legilsation like Obamacare. They somehow managed to cover 30 million more people without driving up the national debt or decreasing the quality of care. Its like magic!!!
  8. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    17 Sep '10 02:33
    So, yes indeed, it seems Melanerpes has succeeded in eliciting a "Obama's a socialist Muslim who wants the government to take over Medicare" type answer, as predicted.
  9. 17 Sep '10 02:40
    Originally posted by FMF
    So, yes indeed, it seems Melanerpes has succeeded in eliciting a "Obama's a socialist Muslim who wants the government to take over Medicare" type answer, as predicted.
    What are you talking about? EVeryone knows that Obamacare is the best things sinced sliced bread. In fact, that is why you see all the Democrats running on it. After all, there is lots to be proud of here FMF.
  10. Donation Luck
    TEA PARTY MEMBER
    17 Sep '10 03:15
    Originally posted by whodey
    Start with members of Congress.
    Glenn Beck for President 2012!

    Sincerely,

    Harri / Luck
  11. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    17 Sep '10 03:19 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    EVeryone knows that Obamacare is the best things sinced sliced bread.
    Unfortunately your 'agenda' here at RHP is animated almost exclusivey by grand umbridge and clunkingly repetitive attempts at 'satire'. For someone who posts so often, and with such earnest (and understandable) political frustration, you seem strangely unable to offer joined up solutions or alternatives.

    Complaining that Bills are a 1,000 pages long is NOT a political vision in and of itself. The tacit running joke here on this forum - which you may be unaware of - is that Melanerpes tees you up with opportunity after opportunity after opportunity - point blank - to propose alternatives, and yet you almost invariably decline to offer a vision ["Ah yes, but a better question is..."], spam the thread with a link to material that you don't seem to understand or later have to distance yourself from, fall silent for a day, or you disintegrate into hackneyed "jokes" that do more to reveal your lack of understanding of the realities of things than any understanding you might think you have.

    Although you clearly aspire to more, and I can repsect that aspiration, you are - for all intents and purposes - one of the biggest "Obama's a socialist Muslim who wants the government to take over Medicare" 'Main Streeters' on this forum.

    And Melanerpes - in his affable and reasonable way, with plenty of his trademark Discourse Vaseline - has highlighted this once again.
  12. 17 Sep '10 03:26
    Originally posted by FMF
    Unfortunately your 'agenda' here at RHP is animated almost exclusivey by grand umbridge and clunkingly repetitive attempts at 'satire'. For someone who posts so often, and with such earnest (and understandable) political frustration, you seem strangely unable to offer joined up solutions or alternatives.

    Complaining that Bills are a 1,000 pages long is NOT a ...[text shortened]... with plenty of his trademark Discourse Vaseline - has highlighted this once again.
    Blah, blah, blah.

    I have offerred alternatives but apparently you were napping.
  13. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    17 Sep '10 03:30
    Originally posted by whodey
    I have offerred alternatives but apparently you were napping.
    I remember the one about forcing all Americans to change their cars or convert them to natural gas in order to solve the national debt.

    What about the 30,000,000 Americans without health care?
  14. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    17 Sep '10 03:34
    I also remember getting rid of all big companies and having small businesses only or whatever it was.
  15. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    17 Sep '10 03:37
    And I also remember, in answer to the "What about the 30,000,000 Americans without health care?" question, something about how everything about American culture, society, finance, political and business practices must be changed. Way to go with the Vision Thing and your purported pragmatism!