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  1. Behind the scenes
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    Donald Trump, who's appearance's in church before 2016 can be counted on one hand is finally seeing a real erosion of support among white evangelicals. In the last year approval margin among white evangelicals shrunk 13 points, compared to just a seven-point shift overall. There has been a stream of disturbing news about the president, from the resignation of Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis to ongoing revelations about Trump business dealings in Russia, payoff's porn stars and playmates, misappropriation of campaign finance money, and his "special" relationship with Vladimir Putin. But it’s the partial government shut-down that seems to have moved the numbers.

    I guess if you hit evangelicals in the wallet, their prophecies of a President anointed by GOD become a bit tarnished.


    https://religionnews.com/2019/01/18/trumps-evangelical-base-has-shrunk/
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    @mchill said
    Donald Trump, who's appearance's in church before 2016 can be counted on one hand is finally seeing a real erosion of support among white evangelicals. In the last year approval margin among white evangelicals shrunk 13 points, compared to just a seven-point shift overall. There has been a stream of disturbing news about the president, from the resignation of Secretary of Def ...[text shortened]... ecome a bit tarnished.


    https://religionnews.com/2019/01/18/trumps-evangelical-base-has-shrunk/
    I guess they will shift to worshiping "pray away the gay'' Pence then, eh.
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    @mchill

    Whether you agree with evangelicals’ agenda or not, at least they stand for a principle. Trump stands for Trump and nothing else; evangelicals may be waking up to this.
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    @moonbus said
    @mchill

    Whether you agree with evangelicals’ agenda or not, at least they stand for a principle. Trump stands for Trump and nothing else; evangelicals may be waking up to this.
    at least they stand for a principle.
    What principles or principle have you seen Evangelical Trump supporters standing for since Trump? If any of them did they are in the minority by far. As a Christian myself, nothing has concerned me more about Trump than the actions of evangelical Trump supporters that worship him; and, still back him and his ungodly actions.
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    @kingdavid403 said
    at least they stand for a principle.
    What principles or principle have you seen Evangelical Trump supporters standing for since Trump? If any of them did they are in the minority by far. As a Christian myself, nothing has concerned me more about Trump than the actions of evangelical Trump supporters that worship him; and, still back him and his ungodly actions.
    So, now we have supposed Republican evangelical Christian Trumptards at CPAC yesterday, applauding the death of war hero John McCain. A man who spent several years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam's (Hanoi Hilton) being tortured every day; having his broken arms and legs twisted and re-broke over and over the whole time while there. The whole CPAC group applauded the death of this great war hero because Trump, the five time draft dodger didn't like him politically?
    Again, can someone tell me what Christian principles or principal they stand for? Oh, that's right, they are pro-life. How ironic yeh?
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    @kingdavid403 said
    at least they stand for a principle.
    What principles or principle have you seen Evangelical Trump supporters standing for since Trump? If any of them did they are in the minority by far. As a Christian myself, nothing has concerned me more about Trump than the actions of evangelical Trump supporters that worship him; and, still back him and his ungodly actions.
    Evangelicals typically want a religious agenda to be legislated; they want abortions outlawed, creationism taught as science in the public schools, marriage defined as being between one man and one woman, etc. etc. Those are the principles. As long as they thought Trump was likely to pursue this legislative agenda, Evangelicals supported him. So long as Trump needed their votes, he curried their favor by seeming to suggest he would support that agenda. Wake up and smell the covfefe; Trump is no Evangelical.
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    @moonbus said
    Evangelicals typically want a religious agenda to be legislated; they want abortions outlawed, creationism taught as science in the public schools, marriage defined as being between one man and one woman, etc. etc. Those are the principles. As long as they thought Trump was likely to pursue this legislative agenda, Evangelicals supported him. So long as Trump needed their vot ...[text shortened]... ing to suggest he would support that agenda. Wake up and smell the covfefe; Trump is no Evangelical.
    A single unmarried woman in Canada just got fired from her job teaching at a Christian school.
    For having sex with her boyfriend. Yup !

    Separation of church and state is a vital component of the advancement of our species.
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    @mghrn55 said
    A single unmarried woman in Canada just got fired from her job teaching at a Christian school.
    For having sex with her boyfriend. Yup !

    Separation of church and state is a vital component of the advancement of our species.
    Private schools can set their own agendas.

    But otherwise, yes, separation of church and state is a mainstay of the modern Rechtsstaat.
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    @mghrn55 said
    A single unmarried woman in Canada just got fired from her job teaching at a Christian school.
    For having sex with her boyfriend. Yup !

    Separation of church and state is a vital component of the advancement of our species.
    Unless it is spying on them in bed, how does the school know (unless they were having sex AT the school, in which case she deserves to be fired)?
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    @ashiitaka said
    Unless it is spying on them in bed, how does the school know (unless they were having sex AT the school, in which case she deserves to be fired)?
    Stupid comeback !!
    They can get arrested for having sex at the school !!
    Christian school found out they were living together.
    And Moonbus is correct. They can set their own requirements for employment.

    My point being, keep them where they are.

    Humanity should not be led by people who are frightened of humanity.
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    @mghrn55 said
    Stupid comeback !!
    They can get arrested for having sex at the school !!
    Christian school found out they were living together.
    And Moonbus is correct. They can set their own requirements for employment.

    My point being, keep them where they are.

    Humanity should not be led by people who are frightened of humanity.
    It's not a comeback. I am not trying to defend the Christian school. As an LGBT person who has expressed strong disapproval of organized religion, that is surely not my motivation.

    There is nothing wrong with unmarried sex.

    What province was this in, by the way?
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    @ashiitaka said
    It's not a comeback. I am not trying to defend the Christian school. As an LGBT person who has expressed strong disapproval of organized religion, that is surely not my motivation.

    There is nothing wrong with unmarried sex.

    What province was this in, by the way?
    British Columbia
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    @mghrn55 said
    A single unmarried woman in Canada just got fired from her job teaching at a Christian school.
    For having sex with her boyfriend. Yup !

    Separation of church and state is a vital component of the advancement of our species.
    How is that controversial?

    Private institutions should be able to set their own agenda for what they believe are the moral criteria for their own employees.
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    Many Evangelicals voted for Trump for the same reason that many far left or moderate left who dislike Hillary voted for Hillary.

    Everyone pretends that Christians should be incapable of choosing the lesser of two evils and fantasize about this world where collectively the Christian right stays home because they don't have a literal Saint running in the election...

    But they also mock the idea of Christians not voting for gays and say it'd be a violation of the separation of church and state, lol.
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    @philokalia said
    Many Evangelicals voted for Trump for the same reason that many far left or moderate left who dislike Hillary voted for Hillary.

    Everyone pretends that Christians should be incapable of choosing the lesser of two evils and fantasize about this world where collectively the Christian right stays home because they don't have a literal Saint running in the election...

    B ...[text shortened]... ristians not voting for gays and say it'd be a violation of the separation of church and state, lol.
    Everyone pretends that Christians should be incapable of choosing the lesser of two evils and fantasize about this world where collectively the Christian right stays home because they don't have a literal Saint running in the election...
    Give it a rest liar. It is supposed evangelical Christians that have claimed Trump is a Christian before he was even elected; and that he is sent by God; therefore we should worship him and bow at his feet like he wishes we would; and what they already do. All this after all of his and their anti-Christ- behavior. Now they're mocking war heroes because a five time draft dodger and abomination to the Lord, whom they worship above Jesus; tells them to when they're worshiping him.. The Hypocrisy is astounding. Furthermore, They are not Christians; period.
    But they also mock the idea of Christians not voting for gays and say it'd be a violation of the separation of church and state, lol.
    Who,s they? Please show us a link where this has ever been said or suggested; liar.
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