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    19 Mar '17 23:291 edit
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/17/everyone-loves-bernie-sanders-except-democratic-party

    If you look at the numbers, Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in America – and it’s not even close. Yet bizarrely, the Democratic party – out of power across the country and increasingly irrelevant – still refuses to embrace him and his message. It’s increasingly clear they do so at their own peril.

    A new Fox News poll out this week shows Sanders has a +28 net favorability rating among the US population, dwarfing all other elected politicians on both ends of the political spectrum. And he’s even more popular among the vaunted “independents”, where he is at a mind boggling +41.

    This poll is not just an aberration. Look at this Huffington Post chart that has tracked Sanders’ favorability rating over time, ever since he gained national prominence in 2015 when he started running for the Democratic nomination. The more people got to know him, they more they liked him – the exact opposite of what his critics said would happen when he was running against Clinton.

    One would think with numbers like that, Democratic politicians would be falling all over themselves to be associated with Sanders, especially considering the party as a whole is more unpopular than the Republicans and even Donald Drumpf right now. Yet instead of embracing his message, the establishment wing of the party continues to resist him at almost every turn, and they seem insistent that they don’t have to change their ways to gain back the support of huge swaths of the country.

    Politico ran a story just this week featuring Democratic officials fretting over the fact that Sanders supporters may upend their efforts to retake governorships in southern states by insisting those candidates adopt Sanders’ populist policies – seemingly oblivious to the fact that Sanders plays well in some of those states too.

    Sanders’ effect on Drumpf voters can be seen in a gripping town hall this week that MSNBC’s Chris Hayes hosted with him in West Virginia – often referred to as “Drumpf country” – where the crowd ended up giving him a rousing ovation after he talked about healthcare being a right of all people and that we are the only industrialized nation in the world who doesn’t provide healthcare as a right to all its people.

    But hand wringing by Democratic officials over 2018 candidates is really just the latest example: the establishment wing of the party aggressively ran another opponent against Keith Ellison, Sanders’ choice to run the Democratic National Committee, seemingly with the primary motivation to keep the party away from Sanders’ influence.

    They’ve steadfastly refused to take giant corporations head on in the public sphere and wouldn’t even return to an Obama-era rule that banned lobbyist money from funding the DNC that was rescinded last year. And despite the broad popularity of the government guaranteeing health care for everyone, they still have not made any push for a Medicare-for-all plan that Sanders has long called for as a rebuttal to Republicans’ attempt to dismantle Obamacare.
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    Democrats seem more than happy to put all the blame of the 2016 election on a combination of Russia and James Comey and have engaged in almost zero introspection on the root causes of the larger reality: they are also out of power in not the presidency, but both also houses of Congress, governorships and state houses across the country as well.
    As Politico reported on the Democrats’ post-Drumpf strategy in February, “Democratic aides say they will eventually shift to a positive economic message that Rust Belt Democrats can run on”. However: “For now, aides say, the focus is on slaying the giant and proving to the voters who sent Drumpf into the White House why his policies will fail.”

    In other words, they’re doubling down on the exact same failing strategy that Clinton used in the final months of the campaign. Sanders himself put it this way in his usual blunt style in an interview with New York magazine this week – when asked about whether the Democrats can adapt to the political reality, he said: “There are some people in the Democratic Party who want to maintain the status quo. They would rather go down with the Titanic so long as they have first-class seats.”

    In the long term, change may be coming for Democrats whether they like it or not. Sanders loyalists are quietly attempting to take over many local Democratic party positions around the country. While Ellison lost the race for the DNC chair, it was incredibly close – closer than Sanders came to beating Clinton. And Sanders’ supporters are already organizing primary challenges to incumbent Democrats who aren’t sufficiently opposing Drumpf.

    One thing’s for sure: Democrats who refuse to change do so at their peril.
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    20 Mar '17 12:53
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    Democrats seem more than happy to put all the blame of the 2016 election on a combination of Russia and James Comey and have engaged in almost zero introspection on the root causes of the larger reality: they are also out of power in not the presidency, but both also houses of Congress, governorships and state houses across the country as well.
    As Politic ...[text shortened]... y opposing Drumpf.

    One thing’s for sure: Democrats who refuse to change do so at their peril.
    When you say everyone except the Democratic Party likes Bernie Sanders do you mean everyone who is to left of the continually left moving Democratic Party likes Sanders. While you certainly have a right to like whomever you like, it is tough to imagine that you truly believe that everyone likes Bernie Sanders.
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    20 Mar '17 13:19
    Originally posted by quackquack
    When you say everyone except the Democratic Party likes Bernie Sanders do you mean everyone who is to left of the continually left moving Democratic Party likes Sanders. While you certainly have a right to like whomever you like, it is tough to imagine that you truly believe that everyone likes Bernie Sanders.
    everyone as in a majority of americans.
    obviously i don't mean 100% of the US.

    Poll made by Fox freakin News show that he is the most trusted and liked senator in the US. Not among the liberals. Among all.
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    20 Mar '17 13:26
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    Democrats seem more than happy to put all the blame of the 2016 election on a combination of Russia and James Comey and have engaged in almost zero introspection on the root causes of the larger reality: they are also out of power in not the presidency, but both also houses of Congress, governorships and state houses across the country as well.
    As Politic ...[text shortened]... y opposing Drumpf.

    One thing’s for sure: Democrats who refuse to change do so at their peril.
    They just need to acknowledge that Hillary ran a disastrous campaign that once you had stripped away the outer fluff, simply reeked of "it's my turn!".
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    20 Mar '17 13:29
    It's one thing to like the guy for his apparent integrity, honesty (for a politician), and commitment to his cause. But not everyone wants a socialist for POTUS, apparently not even many Democrats. I like Kucinich and Feingold as well, but ... yeesh, not for POTUS.
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    20 Mar '17 13:39
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    [b]everyone as in a majority of americans.
    obviously i don't mean 100% of the US.
    An interesting definition of everyone.
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    20 Mar '17 13:56
    Originally posted by quackquack
    An interesting definition of everyone.
    go bother someone else with semantics. i barely have interest in telling you you're stupid in most other cases, i don't need to tell you that an expression like "everyone likes chocolate" doesn't mean 100% of all that exist.
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    20 Mar '17 14:01
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    It's one thing to like the guy for his apparent integrity, honesty (for a politician), and commitment to his cause. But not everyone wants a socialist for POTUS, apparently not even many Democrats. I like Kucinich and Feingold as well, but ... yeesh, not for POTUS.
    yeh, why would you want a politician with integrity and decades of experience that has your best interest at heart? Ludicrous. The president needs to be someone who understands what the correct forms of socialism are, like obscene military spending, tax cuts and loopholes for the rich and super rich and dismantling social programs for people that desperately need it.
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    20 Mar '17 14:281 edit
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/17/everyone-loves-bernie-sanders-except-democratic-party

    If you look at the numbers, Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in America – and it’s not even close. Yet bizarrely, the Democratic party – out of power across the country and increasingly irrelevant – still refuses to embrace him and his ...[text shortened]... n that Sanders has long called for as a rebuttal to Republicans’ attempt to dismantle Obamacare.
    "Yet bizarrely, the Democratic party – out of power across the country and increasingly irrelevant – still refuses to embrace him and his message. It’s increasingly clear they do so at their own peril."

    Should Bernie run for pres as an independent?
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    20 Mar '17 14:53
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    If you look at the numbers, Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in America – and it’s not even close. Yet bizarrely, the Democratic party – out of power across the country and increasingly irrelevant – still refuses to embrace him and his message. It’s increasingly clear they do so at their own peril.
    Its not bizarre at all. The US has what is essentially a two party system. To win elections in such a system, being the most popular is not enough, you need to have over 50% of the electorate. Not the same thing at all.
    The result of this is that the system encourages centrists. Bernie is simply too far left.
    Hillary didn't loose because of her politics. she lost because of a combination of sexism, her association with Mr Clinton, her not very likable character and a very successful smear campaign. Bernie would have lost because of his politics, ageism and his not very likable character. He is simply too old to be considered for the next presidency and too far left to have a hope of ever getting a majority.
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    20 Mar '17 14:55
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    The president needs to be someone who understands what the correct forms of socialism are, like obscene military spending, tax cuts and loopholes for the rich and super rich and dismantling social programs for people that desperately need it.
    Well despite your hyperbolic thread title, that simply isn't what the majority of americans want. A very large number of them voted for Trump remember. Common sense is far from universal.
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    20 Mar '17 14:59
    Originally posted by quackquack
    When you say everyone except the Democratic Party likes Bernie Sanders do you mean everyone who is to left of the continually left moving Democratic Party likes Sanders. While you certainly have a right to like whomever you like, it is tough to imagine that you truly believe that everyone likes Bernie Sanders.
    In spite of his generally left-leaning views, Republicans tend to like Bernie more than they do other Democrats because of his sincerity and personal integrity.
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    20 Mar '17 15:01
    Originally posted by vivify
    "Yet bizarrely, the Democratic party – out of power across the country and increasingly irrelevant – still refuses to embrace him and his message. It’s increasingly clear they do so at their own peril."

    Should Bernie run for pres as an independent?
    the US cannot deal with more than 2 parties.
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    20 Mar '17 15:02
    Originally posted by sh76
    In spite of his generally left-leaning views, Republicans tend to like Bernie more than they do other Democrats because of his sincerity and personal integrity.
    in this case, they love Sanders more than they like even republican senators/congressmen
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