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  1. 27 May '14 12:33
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/31/five-things-polling-tells-us-about-obamacare/

    1. Obamacare remains unpopular

    The most fervent opponents of obamacare on this site would stop there. It is unpopular!!!! Case closed!

    People ( normal ones) should keep researching though. We would find out that the latest survey by CBS News (from the source i have cited) show 53% of americans disapprove, while 41% support it. This should prove that Obama didn't play tyrant and forcibly shoved something americans didn't want down their throats.


    Asking more questions, we see that more than half of people who disapprove of Obamacare, would still like it to work eventualy, to be altered into something better. Some who oppose it complain it is too liberal. Others complain it is not liberal enough.



    Some parts of it are popular, some are not.

    to say that people like private healthcare just because some are against this specific version of Obamacare is just plain wrong.
  2. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    28 May '14 22:56
    53% said they were tired of hearing about the debate over Obamacare and that it was time to move on to other issues.
  3. 29 May '14 01:04
    Originally posted by finnegan
    53% said they were tired of hearing about the debate over Obamacare and that it was time to move on to other issues.
    Yes but how many of them are on this forum?
  4. 29 May '14 02:48 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by finnegan
    53% said they were tired of hearing about the debate over Obamacare and that it was time to move on to other issues.
    Other issues?

    This is about their health and a large amount of their taxable income.

    What issues are more important than your health and how much money you have or don't have?

    Nope, this will never go away.

    "Never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."

    - Whodey (later plagiarized by Churchill)
  5. 29 May '14 05:47
    Originally posted by whodey
    Other issues?

    This is about their health and a large amount of their taxable income.

    What issues are more important than your health and how much money you have or don't have?

    Nope, this will never go away.

    "Never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; ...[text shortened]... to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."

    - Whodey (later plagiarized by Churchill)
    "What issues are more important than your health and how much money you have or don't have?"
    Guns
    Military
    Wars
    Tax cuts for the rich
    Subsidies
    War on Terror
    War on Drugs
    Keeping mexicans out
  6. 29 May '14 13:26
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/31/five-things-polling-tells-us-about-obamacare/

    1. Obamacare remains unpopular

    The most fervent opponents of obamacare on this site would stop there. It is unpopular!!!! Case closed!

    People ( normal ones) should keep researching though. We would find out that the latest survey by CBS News (from the sour ...[text shortened]... healthcare just because some are against this specific version of Obamacare is just plain wrong.
    I would guess that a lot of the people that disapprove of ObamaCare, but hope it will be fixed know little enough about economics that they thought ObamaCare was going to work in the first place. Now that they see it is not working, they want Obama find some other magic economic lever to make ObamaCare work. Too bad they didn't listen to the people who knew enough about economics in 2010 to understand how bad ObamaCare was going to be.

    People like the idea that everyone can afford any and all health care no matter how high the cost. And no one would ever have to spend more than a small percentage of their income on health care. Even Republicans wouldn't mind seeing this if it were possible. The difference is that Republicans understand economics. They understand that even if the existing system is bad, you don't throw it out and replace it with something worse just so you can claim you're "doing something".

    If you buy "insurance" with a pre-existing condition that is known beforehand will cost $100,000 per year, the insurance company has to charge more than $100,000 per year. Otherwise it is not "insurance" but "charity". And since insurance companies cannot change cost by health status, they have to charge everyone a lot more. There are so many fallacies built into ObamaCare, but the democrats are so politically locked in to making it work, they will wind up spending trillions of dollars in an economic shell game to obfuscate the true costs of this monster.

    But hey, let's find some magic fairy dust and maybe that will make ObamaCare work.
  7. 29 May '14 13:32
    Originally posted by techsouth
    I would guess that a lot of the people that disapprove of ObamaCare, but hope it will be fixed know little enough about economics that they thought ObamaCare was going to work in the first place. Now that they see it is not working, they want Obama find some other magic economic lever to make ObamaCare work. Too bad they didn't listen to the people who k ...[text shortened]... s monster.

    But hey, let's find some magic fairy dust and maybe that will make ObamaCare work.
    What did those people who knew enough about economics suggest in 2010?
  8. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    29 May '14 13:44
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    What did those people who knew enough about economics suggest in 2010?
    What did those people who knew enough about economics suggest in 2007, just before the crash?
  9. 29 May '14 13:47
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    What did those people who knew enough about economics suggest in 2010?
    Not approving ObamaCare.
  10. 29 May '14 13:49
    Originally posted by finnegan
    What did those people who knew enough about economics suggest in 2007, just before the crash?
    Good Grief.

    Predicting market trends is difficult. Understanding the implications of sovereign debt and predicting exactly when they'll occur is very hard. But understanding why ObamaCare won't work takes Economics 101 and that's all.
  11. 29 May '14 13:52 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    "What issues are more important than your health and how much money you have or don't have?"
    Guns
    Military
    Wars
    Tax cuts for the rich
    Subsidies
    War on Terror
    War on Drugs
    Keeping mexicans out
    Nope, nothing is as important as ones health.

    Libtards stepped in a big pile of poo.
  12. 29 May '14 13:52
    Originally posted by techsouth
    Not approving ObamaCare.
    And instead...?
  13. 29 May '14 14:05
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    And instead...?
    We've heard over and over that "Repuplicans have no alternative". But that is mostly rhetoric from the left as a way of saying "we have no choice other than ObamaCare".

    This is powerful rhetoric put forth by smart, power hungry people meant for consumption by those of weak minds.

    Before I provide a link with one Republican plan, can you pledge one thing? After I provide this link, can you pledge to never again assert that the Republicans had no plan? And occasionally when it comes up in debates can you speak up and acknowledge that the Republicans did have a plan?
  14. 29 May '14 14:07
    Originally posted by techsouth
    I would guess that a lot of the people that disapprove of ObamaCare, but hope it will be fixed know little enough about economics that they thought ObamaCare was going to work in the first place. Now that they see it is not working, they want Obama find some other magic economic lever to make ObamaCare work. Too bad they didn't listen to the people who k ...[text shortened]... s monster.

    But hey, let's find some magic fairy dust and maybe that will make ObamaCare work.
    they don't want obamacare to work. they want a universal health care system. they like some parts of obamacare, and they dislike some of them.


    this is normal behavior. you look at a complex issue and you form a well thought out opinion. you don't gobble it all up or dismiss it entirely.

    "Too bad they didn't listen to the people who knew enough about economics in 2010 to understand how bad ObamaCare was going to be."
    bad? what do you mean by bad? is your country bankrupt because of it? could it be better? of course it could. is it that bad as some republicans scream it is? not by a long shot. if republicans were to be believed, americans should be dying in the street nowadays (more than they were dying prior)



    "People like the idea that everyone can afford any and all health care no
    matter how high the cost"
    i fail to remember when did obamacare promise that. perhaps you could provide a link that said it. no system is that magical, no country offers absolutely anything, regardless of how much it costs, or whatever circumstances. you are not guaranteed a liver. you should however be given a free liver without having to sell a kidney on the black market to afford the cost.

    "Even Republicans wouldn't mind seeing this if it were possible"
    as long as it is not called obamacare. perhaps this was the greatest mistake. naming it after obama was sure to have it trampled by politicians that stated numerous times that their first priority is to make sure obama doesn't get to do anything.

    "If you buy "insurance" with a pre-existing condition that is known beforehand will cost $100,000 per year, the insurance company has to charge more than $100,000 per year. Otherwise it is not "insurance" but "charity"."
    translation: people who actually need medical care must pay much more than people giving money for nothing (the healthy ones).
    of course, it is pointless to argue this with someone that believes saving lives and improving the quality of people's lives must make a profit.


    "There are so many fallacies built into ObamaCare"
    only for a certain kind of americans. canadians and europeans, cubans and mexicans see no problem with a socialized healthcare system.

    "But hey, let's find some magic fairy dust and maybe that will make ObamaCare work."
    it already is beginning to work. more people's lives have been improved since its inception and it is slowly working out the drawbacks.
  15. 29 May '14 14:08
    Originally posted by whodey
    Nope, nothing is as important as ones health.

    Libtards stepped in a big pile of poo.
    do you need a sarcasm detector?