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  1. 09 Mar '13 00:56 / 1 edit
    Happy IWD (March 8) to everyone. The UN's official theme for the 2013 IWD is
    "A Promise is Promise: Time for Action to End Violence Against Women."

    On 16 December 2012 in New Delhi, a young Indian woman (a medical student)
    was brutally raped by several men, later dying of her injuries. This case has
    already brought unprecedented attention to the issues of rape in India.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delhi_gang_rape

    One difficulty is that some of the men who are supposed to oversee how to end
    sexual harassment, if not violence, against women seem to be part of the problem.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/feb/25/Westminster-politics-sexism-women-work?INTCMP=SRCH

    "One cabinet minister...chased a woman round a sofa in his office in an
    unsuccessful attempt to kiss her. ... One woman who has experienced sexism
    at Westminster said that men who behave inappropriately were not guilty of
    innocent mistakes. 'It is power. They know they have embarrassed you when
    they make a sordid lurch and try to kiss you.' ...Campaigners say the anecdotes
    of sexual harassment build a picture of a Britain still governed according to
    'antiquidated rules' in Westminster."
    --Nicholas Watt (25 February 2013, 'The Guardian'

    On the other hand, popular culture has long given 'mixed messages' about at
    least some of this 'sexual harassment'. A man giving (or stealing) an unwanted
    kiss to a woman is a trope. In films it often occurs during romantic scenes where
    the heroine's being swept off her feet. Indeed, one of the most iconic images of
    the ending of the Second World War in the United States is a photograph taken
    of 'the Kissing Sailor' (or the 'Kissed Nurse' in New York City's Times Square.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-J_Day_in_Times_Square

    Celebrating victory over Japan on 14 August 1945, a US Navy sailor seized a
    passing young woman (apparently in a nurse's uniform), bent her over backward
    (her slender legs forming a graceful spiral), and kissed her with gusto.
    The the impromptu couple parted ways, not knowing each other's name, not to
    see each other again for many years. Over the years, at least three women
    have claimed to be the one who was kissed in that famous photograph.
    Edith Shain (who died in 2010) was the most widely accepted claimant, even
    becoming a minor celebrity. A 2012 book _The Kissing Sailor_ has concluded,
    however, that the kissed woman most likely was Greta Friedman (not a nurse).
    How did she feel about that famous unwanted kiss? Greta Friedman has said that
    it was unwelcome and rather distasteful, but it did not trouble her for too long.
    At that time, the concept of 'sexual harassment' hardly existed.

    So on one hand, our (Western) culture would like to discourage male politicians
    from chasing female secretaries around the desk in order to kiss them and, on
    the other hand, our culture celebrates a sailor who forced an unwanted kiss upon
    a passing young woman to the extent of building a larger-than-life-sized statue
    named 'Unconditional Surrender' (hers?) that depicts the couple's intertwining
    bodies while he's enjoying the kiss, which she has said that she did not enjoy.
    What a 'mixed message'--no wonder many people seem confused about what's
    considered acceptable conduct between a man and a woman!
  2. 09 Mar '13 01:08
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Happy IWD (March 8) to everyone. The UN's official theme for the 2013 IWD is
    "A Promise is Promise: Time for Action to End Violence Against Women."

    On 16 December 2012 in New Delhi, a young Indian woman (a medical student)
    was brutally raped by several men, later dying of her injuries. This case has
    already brought unprecedented attention to the is ...[text shortened]... what's
    considered acceptable conduct between a man and a woman!
    Bill Clinton and Al Gore are excellent examples of how western democrats treat women.
  3. 09 Mar '13 01:34
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Happy IWD (March 8) to everyone. The UN's official theme for the 2013 IWD is
    "A Promise is Promise: Time for Action to End Violence Against Women."

    On 16 December 2012 in New Delhi, a young Indian woman (a medical student)
    was brutally raped by several men, later dying of her injuries. This case has
    already brought unprecedented attention to the is ...[text shortened]... what's
    considered acceptable conduct between a man and a woman!
    I'm curious. Are you a woman or a man?
  4. 09 Mar '13 04:08
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    I'm curious. Are you a woman or a man?
    And is Duchess AKA FMF?
  5. 10 Mar '13 01:45
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Happy IWD (March 8) to everyone. The UN's official theme for the 2013 IWD is
    "A Promise is Promise: Time for Action to End Violence Against Women."

    On 16 December 2012 in New Delhi, a young Indian woman (a medical student)
    was brutally raped by several men, later dying of her injuries. This case has
    already brought unprecedented attention to the is ...[text shortened]... what's
    considered acceptable conduct between a man and a woman!
    Have you seen the movies starring Michael Douglas: Disclosure and Fatal Attraction. Not all unwanted attention is generated by horny men.

    How about ending violence against people?
  6. 10 Mar '13 01:47
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    And is Duchess AKA FMF?
    I doubt it. FMF has never been nearly as wordy as the good Dutchess. Or he/she/it is a better actor than I can imagine.
  7. 10 Mar '13 01:48
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    I'm curious. Are you a woman or a man?
    I've never met a man as obsessed with feminist fallacies.
  8. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    10 Mar '13 03:29
    Time for Action to End Violence Against Women

    Frankly, I think that slogan is offensive. The vast majority of the violence in the world is directed against men. I'm all for ending violence, but the goal of ending violence against women implies that violence against men does not need to end.

    That is sexist and discriminatory.

    How about we try to end violence against everyone?
  9. 10 Mar '13 03:50
    Originally posted by normbenign
    I doubt it. FMF has never been nearly as wordy as the good Dutchess. Or he/she/it is a better actor than I can imagine.
    FMF is a hellova wordsmith. Seems to have backed off a bit though.
  10. 10 Mar '13 09:18
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    I'm curious. Are you a woman or a man?
    does it matter?
  11. 10 Mar '13 09:19
    Originally posted by sh76
    [b]Time for Action to End Violence Against Women

    Frankly, I think that slogan is offensive. The vast majority of the violence in the world is directed against men. I'm all for ending violence, but the goal of ending violence against women implies that violence against men does not need to end.

    That is sexist and discriminatory.

    How about we try to end violence against everyone?[/b]
    nirvana logical fallacy
  12. 10 Mar '13 14:16
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    does it matter?
    I said I was curious. I didn't say it mattered.
  13. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    10 Mar '13 14:49
    Originally posted by sh76
    [b]Time for Action to End Violence Against Women

    Frankly, I think that slogan is offensive. The vast majority of the violence in the world is directed against men. I'm all for ending violence, but the goal of ending violence against women implies that violence against men does not need to end.

    That is sexist and discriminatory.

    How about we try to end violence against everyone?[/b]
    1 in 5 women suffer some form of abuse in the home.
    So, let's see... That's about 1000.000.000 women suffering agression on a regular basis.

    I'm not quite sure men come off that bad.
  14. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    10 Mar '13 14:51
    Originally posted by sh76
    Frankly, I think that slogan is offensive. The vast majority of the violence in the world is directed against men. I'm all for ending violence, but the goal of ending violence against women implies that violence against men does not need to end.
    You reckon that "International Women's Day" is not about domestic violence and sexual harassment?
  15. 10 Mar '13 15:46
    Originally posted by FMF
    You reckon that "International Women's Day" is not about domestic violence and sexual harassment?
    Yeah, this one kind of falls under the no-s**** category.