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    I chose to use marauder as the leading Left wing hypocrite to prove a point. This is what he said about Megyn Kelly and her black face scandal. Yes, he was giddy throwing Megyn to the wolves because she comes from "Fox News" and presumably leans right.

    https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/debates/megyn-kellys-show-is-cancelled.179025/page-2

    marauder:

    Blackface is acceptable is "non-offensive"? To any reasonable person?:

    Malik Russell, a spokesman for the N.A.A.C.P., issued a statement about her comments: “Maybe in Megyn Kelly’s world, offensive acts and racism are O.K., but I assure you for individuals of color, blackface is always racist and never O.K.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/business/media/megyn-kelly-skips-today-blackface-nbc.html

    Did you hear that everyone? It is NEVER Ok.

    Now listen to him talk about his beloved Dim governor in Virginia, Mr. Black Face

    marauder: Isn't this a reasonable viewpoint?:

    But if it's "people who said or did offensive things 35 years ago shouldn't be in high office," or even "people who expressed racist / sexist / anti-gay / anti-Semitic / etc. opinions 35 years ago shouldn't be in high office," that's a very different thing. It's tarring someone forever for minor misconduct (again, I note that major misconduct would be a different matter), without considering whether he may have developed better judgment and better views from age 25 to age 60. It's rejecting the possibility that people actually get wiser as they get older -- that they grow up -- that they improve their judgments, their beliefs, and their conduct.

    And it's potentially depriving the nation of many valuable public servants because of a dumb thing they did long ago. Northam's specific past behavior (again, I'm setting aside the newly emerging denial, and whether it's a false denial) may not be that common. But consider all the other things that can be blown up into similar hurricanes. Maybe some people (black, white, or of any other race) quoted some sexist lyrics. Or maybe they expressed anti-gay views, which they may now regret. (Lots of people's minds have changed in 35 years about sexual orientation, as they have changed about what is so racially offensive that it shouldn't be said.) Or maybe they praised people who shot at police officers, or said nasty things about American soldiers. Or maybe they told jokes about Jews or gays or Puerto Ricans or men or women, whether or not those jokes actually reflected their own serious views about such matters.

    Or maybe they did things that actually risked physically harming people, rather than just offending them. Maybe, for instance, they drove drunk -- poor judgment, potentially very dangerous, not something we'd want of a sitting Governor -- but doesn't it matter that it happened three decades ago rather than today?

    If you want to go after Northam for his current views on abortion, go ahead. If you want to go after him because you think he's lying today about what happened then, go ahead. But calling for him to resign because of his bad judgment (or even his racist views, if you think he actually held such views then) from 35 years ago -- what kind of country would we be creating if that were really adopted as the rule?

    https://reason.com/volokh/2019/02/02/the-northam-controversy-the-kavanaugh-co

    If all there is to it is that Northam wore blackface or a KKK outfit to a party 35 years ago, then no he shouldn't resign.

    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    05 Feb '19 16:01
    And just to cap it off.

    marauder:

    Moore was accused of sexual assault. The article I cited explained why that is different from what Northam is accused of:

    First, Judge Kavanaugh was accused of committing a very serious crime; Northam is accused of including in a yearbook a photo that was in bad taste, and that may (or may not) have reflected that in 1984 he had some racist attitudes.



    No, I wouldn't vary my opinion based on (D) or (R) labels.
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    @whodey said
    I chose to use marauder as the leading Left wing hypocrite to prove a point. This is what he said about Megyn Kelly and her black face scandal. Yes, he was giddy throwing Megyn to the wolves because she comes from "Fox News" and presumably leans right.

    https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/debates/megyn-kellys-show-is-cancelled.179025/page-2

    marauder:

    Blackface is acc ...[text shortened]... t to a party 35 years ago, then no he shouldn't resign.

    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Apples and oranges.

    "Blackface" is offensive to many reasonable persons. But there are many differences between a private employer choosing to terminate an employee for publicly saying it wasn't offensive NOW and someone wearing it 35 years ago.

    I commend you for your desperate search to somehow find some "hypocrisy" on my part but there is no there there. The article I cited did say Northam's act was "misconduct" but just not sufficient "misconduct" from 35 years ago to forever ban him from elected public service. Whether Kelly's contemporaneous "misconduct" was sufficient to get her fired from her private employer was up to her employer; I noted in that same thread that you wanted someone fired for on air comments of an "offensive" nature - so who's the real hypocrite:

    no1: Wasn't whodey screaming a few weeks ago that Don Lemon and others should be fired from their jobs for on air comments? Why the blatant hypocrisy?

    EDIT: Specifically, it was Tara Setmayer; he said CNN was "racist" IF they didn't make her retract her statement and fire her. https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/debates/did-cnn-just-use-the-term-token-negro.178834/page-2

    Now he's screeching when NBC did the same thing regarding a statement reasonable minds might find racially offensive.
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    05 Feb '19 21:32
    @whodey said
    I chose to use marauder as the leading Left wing hypocrite to prove a point. This is what he said about Megyn Kelly and her black face scandal. Yes, he was giddy throwing Megyn to the wolves because she comes from "Fox News" and presumably leans right.

    https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/debates/megyn-kellys-show-is-cancelled.179025/page-2

    marauder:

    Blackface is acc ...[text shortened]... t to a party 35 years ago, then no he shouldn't resign.

    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    nobody takes you seriously
    nobody likes you
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    @whodey said
    I chose to use marauder as the leading Left wing hypocrite to prove a point. This is what he said about Megyn Kelly and her black face scandal. Yes, he was giddy throwing Megyn to the wolves because she comes from "Fox News" and presumably leans right.

    https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/debates/megyn-kellys-show-is-cancelled.179025/page-2

    marauder:

    Blackface is acc ...[text shortened]... t to a party 35 years ago, then no he shouldn't resign.

    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    And BTW in that thread I hardly was "giddy" about Kelly being fired; I said "reasonable people" could find her comments offensive and that NBC could take that into account when deciding whether to retain her. Your response then?:

    whodey: Did I once question the right of NBC to fire her?

    No.

    Neither did I. But I didn't insist she resign for misconduct that happened 35 years ago either.
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