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  1. 23 Oct '10 09:09
    Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide

    Harsh but fair?

    Provocative but honest?
  2. 23 Oct '10 09:15
    Originally posted by John W Booth
    [b]Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide

    Harsh but fair?

    Provocative but honest?[/b]
    Its a mental affliction of the worst kind.
  3. 23 Oct '10 09:15
    Neither of you know what "liberalism" means.
  4. 23 Oct '10 09:32
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Neither of you know what "liberalism" means.
    It means all that which was not intended by the Framers.
  5. 23 Oct '10 09:36
    "Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis, "of freedom"[1] is the belief in the importance of individual liberty and equal rights.[2] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but most liberals support such fundamental ideas as constitutions, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, free trade, and the separation of church and state. These ideas are widely accepted, even by political groups that do not openly profess a liberal ideological orientation. Liberalism encompasses several intellectual trends and traditions, but the dominant variants are classical liberalism, which became popular in the eighteenth century, and social liberalism, which became popular in the twentieth century.

    Liberalism first became a powerful force in the Age of Enlightenment, rejecting several foundational assumptions that dominated most earlier theories of government, such as hereditary status, established religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The early liberal thinker John Locke, who is often credited for the creation of liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition, employed the concept of natural rights and the social contract to argue that the rule of law should replace absolutism in government, that rulers were subject to the consent of the governed, and that private individuals had a fundamental right to life, liberty, and property.

    The revolutionaries in the American Revolution and the French Revolution used liberal philosophy to justify the armed overthrow of tyrannical rule. The nineteenth century saw liberal governments established in nations across Europe, Latin America, and North America. Liberal ideas spread even further in the twentieth century, when liberal democracies triumphed in two world wars and survived major ideological challenges from fascism and communism. Conservatism, fundamentalism, and military dictatorship remain powerful opponents of liberalism. Today, liberals are organized politically on all major continents. They have played a decisive role in the growth of republics, the spread of civil rights and civil liberties, the establishment of the modern welfare state, the institution of religious toleration and religious freedom, and the development of globalization. Political scientist Alan Wolfe wrote, "liberalism is the answer for which modernity is the question".[3]"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
  6. 23 Oct '10 09:40
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    "Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis, "of freedom"[1] is the belief in the importance of individual liberty and equal rights.[2] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but most liberals support such fundamental ideas as constitutions, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capi ...[text shortened]... nswer for which modernity is the question".[3]"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
    All the quotes and definitions in the world will not save the West from the demographic menace of Mohammedanism.
  7. 23 Oct '10 09:47
    Originally posted by John W Booth
    All the quotes and definitions in the world will not save the West from the demographic menace of Mohammedanism.
    I'm sure they won't, Sam.
  8. 23 Oct '10 10:03
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    I'm sure they won't, Sam.
    The Uncle Sam thing is an inadvertant compliment.
  9. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    23 Oct '10 10:28
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    "Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis, "of freedom"[1] is the belief in the importance of individual liberty and equal rights.[2] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but most liberals support such fundamental ideas as constitutions, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capi ...[text shortened]... nswer for which modernity is the question".[3]"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
    The word Liberalism has been hijacked by the left whingers, your definition applies more to what has had to have the extra qualifier "classical" tacked on i.e. classical liberalism. As for social liberalism that is no more liberalism than state capitalism is capitalism.

    This exemplifies the importance for freedom lovers to defend other precious words like 'freedom', 'free', 'capitalism' and 'rights' lest they get all dirtied up by the control freaks and lose their true meanings as has happened to 'liberalism'.
  10. 23 Oct '10 10:44
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    The word Liberalism has been hijacked by the left whingers, your definition applies more to what has had to have the extra qualifier "classical" tacked on i.e. classical liberalism. As for social liberalism that is no more liberalism than state capitalism is capitalism.

    This exemplifies the importance for freedom lovers to defend other precious words like ...[text shortened]... by the control freaks and lose their true meanings as has happened to 'liberalism'.
    In reality both Democrats and Republicans combine elements of social liberalism and classical liberalism. Both would be regarded as conservative liberals in the western European political spectrum.
  11. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    23 Oct '10 11:55
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    In reality both Democrats and Republicans combine elements of social liberalism and classical liberalism. Both would be regarded as conservative liberals in the western European political spectrum.
    That is very true. People who claim the Democrats are a "left wing" party are simply insane. There is no viable left wing in American politics. The American political spectrum starts in the center and goes careening madly out toward the right.
  12. 23 Oct '10 17:28
    Originally posted by John W Booth
    [b]Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide

    Harsh but fair?

    Provocative but honest?[/b]
    Harsh but fair?

    Provocative but honest?


    I say its baseless and risible.
  13. 23 Oct '10 17:30
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Neither of you know what "liberalism" means.
    but why spoil it for them when they're having so much fun with all this talk about "diseases" and "western suicide"?
  14. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    23 Oct '10 18:23
    What are you looking for here? A place to engage in mindless name calling? Of course the party of George W Bush is a wonderful alternative. The party that brought us mindless deregulation, (in other words no rules), resulting in the crash of 2008. The Liberals, despite there flaws, have slowed the downturn, and have brought about at least some economic stability. Do you want a return to the era of 2008? Be careful what you wish for...
  15. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    24 Oct '10 01:16
    Originally posted by bill718
    What are you looking for here? A place to engage in mindless name calling? Of course the party of George W Bush is a wonderful alternative. The party that brought us mindless deregulation, (in other words no rules), resulting in the crash of 2008. The Liberals, despite there flaws, have slowed the downturn, and have brought about at least some economic stability. Do you want a return to the era of 2008? Be careful what you wish for...
    How many thousands of pages of regulation do you call 'no regulation'?

    The truth is the crash was shaped by regulation not through a lack of it.