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    14 May '18 00:00
    After 12 months, Robert Mueller's investigation has already delivered indictments or guilty pleas involving 19 people and three companies. Members of Trump's inner circle express worries that the probe may yet ensnare more figures in Trump’s orbit, including family members. There is particularly worry about Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., and Jared Kushner, his son-in-law and a senior adviser. President Trump combats the probe with bluster, disarray and defiance as he scrambles for survival. Trump gripes that he needs better “TV lawyers” to defend him on cable news.

    Dear Trump supporters: "Witch hunts" don't yield indictments or guilty pleas involving 19 people and three companies! Every guilty plea, and every member of Trump's associates that flip give more and more legitimacy to Mueller's investigation. So stop sniveling like little girls about witch hunts and face the fact that your fearless leader and his little circus is just plain guilty.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/%E2%80%98buckle-up%E2%80%99-as-mueller-probe-enters-second-year-trump-and-allies-go-on-war-footing/ar-AAxcSCF?li=BBnb7Kz

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/there-is-so-much-evidence-of-trumps-collusion-with-russia.html

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/385958-ex-trump-aide-mueller-is-still-really-focused-on-russian-collusion

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/apr/20/donald-trump/trump-falsely-says-comey-memos-disprove-collusion-/
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    14 May '18 00:35
    Originally posted by @mchill
    After 12 months, Robert Mueller's investigation has already delivered indictments or guilty pleas involving 19 people and three companies. Members of Trump's inner circle express worries that the probe may yet ensnare more figures in Trump’s orbit, including family members. There is particularly worry about Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., and Jared Kus ...[text shortened]... -o-meter/statements/2018/apr/20/donald-trump/trump-falsely-says-comey-memos-disprove-collusion-/
    I guess meuller is just bad at his job then...

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/06/opinions/rosenstein-should-curb-mueller-whittaker-opinion/index.html
  3. Standard memberHandyAndy
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    14 May '18 01:02
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    I guess meuller is just bad at his job then...

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/06/opinions/rosenstein-should-curb-mueller-whittaker-opinion/index.html
    Who's meuller?
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    14 May '18 02:20
    Originally posted by @handyandy
    Who's meuller?
    Mueller's dyslexic cousin.
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    14 May '18 08:54
    Originally posted by @mchill
    After 12 months, Robert Mueller's investigation has already delivered indictments or guilty pleas involving 19 people and three companies. Members of Trump's inner circle express worries that the probe may yet ensnare more figures in Trump’s orbit, including family members. There is particularly worry about Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., and Jared Kus ...[text shortened]... -o-meter/statements/2018/apr/20/donald-trump/trump-falsely-says-comey-memos-disprove-collusion-/
    WITCH HUNT!
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    14 May '18 09:10
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    I guess meuller is just bad at his job then...

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/06/opinions/rosenstein-should-curb-mueller-whittaker-opinion/index.html
    A nine month old opinon piece is your defence?

    Weren't you the one claiming opnion pieces couldn't be used as news or as facts?
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    14 May '18 09:22
    Originally posted by @mchill
    After 12 months, Robert Mueller's investigation has already delivered indictments or guilty pleas involving 19 people and three companies. Members of Trump's inner circle express worries that the probe may yet ensnare more figures in Trump’s orbit, including family members. There is particularly worry about Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., and Jared Kus ...[text shortened]... -o-meter/statements/2018/apr/20/donald-trump/trump-falsely-says-comey-memos-disprove-collusion-/
    FAKE NEWS!
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    14 May '18 10:12
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    WITCH HUNT!
    Nope. If that were the case, Hillary would be in jail.
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    14 May '18 11:00
    Originally posted by @handyandy
    Who's meuller?
    glad to see you back...how is your hand?







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    14 May '18 11:15
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    I guess meuller is just bad at his job then...

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/06/opinions/rosenstein-should-curb-mueller-whittaker-opinion/index.html
    In fact, Rosenstein had already specified areas of interest before that editorial was written. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rod-rosenstein-outlined-scope-for-special-counsel-probe-in-august-2017/

    Unsurprisingly, prosecutors generally don't give details of their investigation to the suspected criminals being investigated, so opinion piece writers wouldn't have such information.
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    14 May '18 11:231 edit
    Here's a brief recap of the public information we have that shows collusion with Russia and obstruction of justice:

    One thing is true of all major political scandals: What we know in the moment is but a tiny, obscured, partial view of the full story later revealed by investigators.

    Why it matters: That’s what makes the Trump-Russia drama all the more remarkable. Forget all we don’t know. The known facts that even Trump’s closest friends don’t deny tell a damning tale that would sink most leaders.


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    Here's a guide that Jim VandeHei and I put together to the known knowns of Russia:

    We know Paul Manafort, former Trump campaign chair, has been indicted on 32 counts, including conspiracy and money laundering. We know he made millions off shady Russians and changed the Republican platform to the benefit of Russia.
    We know that the U.S. intelligence community concluded, in a report released in January 2017, that Russian President Vladimir Putin “ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election,” to “denigrate” Hillary Clinton and with “a clear preference for ... Trump.”
    We know that in May 2016, Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos told an Australian diplomat Russia had political dirt on Hillary. "About three weeks earlier," according to the N.Y. Times, "Papadopoulos had been told that Moscow had thousands of emails that would embarrass Mrs. Clinton."
    We know that in June 2016, Trump’s closest aides and family members met at Trump Tower with a shady group of Russians who claimed to have dirt on Hillary. The meeting was billed as "part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump."
    We know the Russian lawyer who helped set it up concealed her close ties to Putin government.
    We know that in July 2016, Trump said: "“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 [Hillary] emails that are missing,” and urged their publication.
    We know that on Air Force One a year later, Trump helped his son, Don Jr., prepare a misleading statement about the meeting. We know top aides freaked out about this.
    We know Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting.
    We know Michael Flynn, former national security adviser and close campaign aide, lied to Vice President Pence and FBI about his Russia-related chats. We know he’s now cooperating with special counsel Robert Mueller. We know Trump initially tried to protect Flynn with loyalty and fervency rarely shown by Trump to others.
    We know that during the transition, Jared Kushner spoke with the Russian ambassador "about establishing a secret communications channel between the Trump transition team and Moscow." We know Kushner omitted previous contacts with Russians on his disclosure forms.
    We know Trump initially lied about why he fired James Comey, later admitting he was canned because of the “Russia thing.”
    We know Michael Cohen was a close adviser and lawyer, the fixer and secret-keeper. We know Trump seethed when the FBI raided Cohen's office.
    We know that in January 2016, just before Republicans began voting, Michael Cohen tried to restart a Trump Tower project in Moscow.
    We know Mueller questioned a Russian oligarch tied to a firm that made payments to Cohen, who paid off a porn star who allegedly had an affair with Trump. [Updated]
    We know that oligarch was a bad enough dude that the Trump administration sanctioned him.
    Be smart: The undisputed known knowns about Trump, Russia and his associates are damning and possibly actionable. But the known unknowns of how much more Robert Mueller knows that is publicly unknown is what spooks Trump allies most.

    Remember: No one in the media saw Mueller’s indictments of Russian oligarchs coming until the second they were announced, and no one knew until this week that Mueller’s team questioned AT&T five months ago about its payments to Cohen.

    Mueller has every incentive to keep the public and Trump himself in suspense.

    https://www.axios.com/trump-russia-mueller-investigation-michael-cohen-paul-manafort-bcfe40c6-7592-4347-a6be-20ff562058f0.html
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    14 May '18 11:37
    Mueller has indicted a 1 year old?

    WTH?
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    14 May '18 11:43
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Here's a brief recap of the public information we have that shows collusion with Russia and obstruction of justice:

    One thing is true of all major political scandals: What we know in the moment is but a tiny, obscured, partial view of the full story later revealed by investigators.

    Why it matters: That’s what makes the Trump-Russia drama all the m ...[text shortened]... ssia-mueller-investigation-michael-cohen-paul-manafort-bcfe40c6-7592-4347-a6be-20ff562058f0.html
    https://reason.com/blog/2018/05/10/mueller-indicted-a-ham-sandwich
  14. Subscriberno1marauder
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    14 May '18 11:47
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    https://reason.com/blog/2018/05/10/mueller-indicted-a-ham-sandwich
    Shouldn't believe everything defense lawyers say. From your own link:

    As to the claim that Concord didn't exist during the last U.S. presidential election: There are myriad old references to Concord Catering in Russian media, and press releases about Concord events and openings in Russia say that it was founded in 1996.
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    14 May '18 11:47
    Any day now..............
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