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  1. Zugzwang
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    18 Oct '18 21:031 edit
    In the Sicilian Defense, the 1 e4 c5 2 b3 variation has sometimes been
    called (particularly by Americans) the Snyder Variation, in recognition
    of Robert Snyder, a relatively low-rated (no FIDE title) American master,
    who attempted to popularize it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Michael_Snyder

    "Snyder has been arrested and convicted for multiple sexual assaults
    involving children dating back to 1983."

    Some people have objected to naming a chess opening variation to honor such a criminal.
    If any of his victims play chess, then they could be 'triggered' by hearing the
    'Snyder Variation' mentioned to refer to 1 e4 c5 2 b3 in their games.

    Another objection could be that Robert Snyder was a relatively weak
    player who did not popularize the opening variation at high enough level.
    Chess opening variations tend to be named after the first strong
    (professional) player who plays it enough in high-level competition
    rather than after the first amateur who's ever tried it in casual play.

    In view of all that, I would prefer that the variation not be named after Snyder.
    What do you think?
  2. Germany
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    18 Oct '18 21:11
    I think that people who don't want to use Snyder's name in reference to this opening, shouldn't.
  3. Zugzwang
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    18 Oct '18 21:16
    @kazetnagorra said
    I think that people who don't want to use Snyder's name in reference to this opening, shouldn't.
    Some, though not all, chess websites refer to 1 e4 c5 2 b3 as the Snyder Variation.
    This name seems much less accepted in books, where it's called the '2 b3' variation.
  4. Zugzwang
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    18 Oct '18 21:261 edit
    Unfortunately, several professional chess teachers have been convicted
    (or at least seriously accused) of sexually abusing children, including their students.
    Brian Eley (a former British champion) is a fugitive, accused of sexually assaulting children.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Eley

    "As a BCF-registered coach, Eley continued to teach juniors into the late 1980s.[9]
    In July 1991, Eley was arrested at his South Yorkshire home on suspicion of sexually
    abusing an underage male he had once coached. He was released on bail.
    Although not charged at the time, Eley jumped bail approximately one month after
    his arrest and disappeared. He was subsequently charged with more than 30 offences
    offences of a similar nature and remains a fugitive, wanted by the British police and Interpol."

    A British GM (who, as a lad, was acquainted with Brian Eley) has said that if he
    were to meet him again, then he would like to beat him up not on the chessboard.

    While chess teachers don't have a popular reputation as sexual predators, parents
    should exercise due diligence in screening every adult teacher who will spend much
    unsupervised time alone with their children.
  5. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    18 Oct '18 23:05
    Sure, don't name the opening after him because he is a disgusting class of criminal.

    Anyone who is resolutely convicted of molest children should be given an evening with a Bible and then hung by the neck until dead.
  6. SubscriberAThousandYoung
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    @philokalia said
    Sure, don't name the opening after him because he is a disgusting class of criminal.

    Anyone who is resolutely convicted of molest children should be given an evening with a Bible and then hung by the neck until dead.
    What about just cutting his nutsack off?
  7. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    19 Oct '18 00:241 edit
    @duchess64 said
    In the Sicilian Defense, the 1 e4 c5 2 b3 variation has sometimes been
    called (particularly by Americans) the Snyder Variation, in recognition
    of Robert Snyder, a relatively low-rated (no FIDE title) American master,
    who attempted to popularize it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Michael_Snyder

    "Snyder has been arrested and convicted for multiple sexual as ...[text shortened]... n view of all that, I would prefer that the variation not be named after Snyder.
    What do you think?
    Attempts have been made to re-name the Margret Court Arena in Melbourne after Margret Court vilified lesbians and gays.
    What do you think?

    (She's not a criminal per se, but she is highly offensive to gay tennis players. I'm sure she thinks they will burn in hell. )
  8. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    @athousandyoung said
    What about just cutting his nutsack off?
    ...and tortured for a few days? Yep
  9. Zugzwang
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    @karoly-aczel said
    Attempts have been made to re-name the Margret Court Arena in Melbourne after Margret Court vilified lesbians and gays.
    What do you think?

    (She's not a criminal per se, but she is highly offensive to gay tennis players. I'm sure she thinks they will burn in hell. )
    It's a poor analogy by Karoly-Aczel.

    There's a difference between naming an arena after someone whom one wishes to honor and
    naming a chess opening after a player who supposedly was the first to use it in strong competition.

    Margaret Court's not a criminal, and the arena was not named after her because
    she supposedly was the first to discover it or employ it in tournaments.
  10. Behind the scenes
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    19 Oct '18 02:02
    @duchess64 said
    It's a poor analogy by Karoly-Aczel.

    There's a difference between naming an arena after someone whom one wishes to honor and
    naming a chess opening after a player who supposedly was the first to use it in strong competition.

    Margaret Court's not a criminal, and the arena was not named after her because
    she supposedly was the first to discover it or employ it in tournaments.
    You should have been a prosecutor Duchess, you'd have every white male in the known universe behind bars, guarded by shapely female asian military personnel that gleefully flog them on a daily basis. 😏
  11. SubscriberSuzianne
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    19 Oct '18 02:12
    @duchess64 said
    In the Sicilian Defense, the 1 e4 c5 2 b3 variation has sometimes been
    called (particularly by Americans) the Snyder Variation, in recognition
    of Robert Snyder, a relatively low-rated (no FIDE title) American master,
    who attempted to popularize it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Michael_Snyder

    "Snyder has been arrested and convicted for multiple sexual as ...[text shortened]... n view of all that, I would prefer that the variation not be named after Snyder.
    What do you think?
    The c3 Sicilian is called the c3 Sicilian.

    I'd recommend that be followed here to call it the b3 Sicilian.
  12. SubscriberSuzianne
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    @mchill said
    You should have been a prosecutor Duchess, you'd have every white male in the known universe behind bars, guarded by shapely female asian military personnel that gleefully flog them on a daily basis. 😏
    You say that like it's a bad thing...
  13. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    @duchess64 said
    It's a poor analogy by Karoly-Aczel.

    There's a difference between naming an arena after someone whom one wishes to honor and
    naming a chess opening after a player who supposedly was the first to use it in strong competition.

    Margaret Court's not a criminal, and the arena was not named after her because
    she supposedly was the first to discover it or employ it in tournaments.
    So thats why I asked.

    No need to be a twat about it
  14. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    @mchill said
    You should have been a prosecutor Duchess, you'd have every white male in the known universe behind bars, guarded by shapely female asian military personnel that gleefully flog them on a daily basis. 😏
    ay!!

    For Chrissake, this chick could be standing next to the most righteous, upstanding male in the world and she would not have a clue!!
  15. Germany
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    19 Oct '18 06:33
    @philokalia said
    Sure, don't name the opening after him because he is a disgusting class of criminal.

    Anyone who is resolutely convicted of molest children should be given an evening with a Bible and then hung by the neck until dead.
    What do you think should happen to people who don't try to save drowning children?
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