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  1. 31 Dec '09 18:12
    Ivana Trump Escorted Off Plane: Napolitano Declares 'The System Worked'


    In response to a Nigerian Muslim trying to blow up a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit on Christmas Day, the government will now prohibit international travelers from going to the bathroom in the last hour before the plane lands.

    Terrorists who plan to bomb planes during the first seven hours of the eight-hour flight, however, should face no difficulties, provided they wait until after the complimentary beverage service has been concluded.

    How do they know Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab didn't wait until the end of the flight to try to detonate explosives because he heard the stewardess announce that the food service was over and seats would have to be placed in their upright position? I can't finish my snack? This plane is going down!

    Also prohibited in the last hour of international flights will be: blankets, pillows, computers and in-flight entertainment. Another triumph in Janet Napolitano's "Let's stay one step behind the terrorists" policy!

    Also prohibited in the last hour of international flights will be: blankets, pillows, computers and in-flight entertainment. Another triumph in Janet Napolitano's "Let's stay one step behind the terrorists" policy!

    For the past eight years, approximately 2 million Americans a day have been subjected to humiliating searches at airport security checkpoints, forced to remove their shoes and jackets, to open their computers, and to remove all liquids from their carry-on bags, except minuscule amounts in marked 3-ounce containers placed in Ziploc plastic bags -- folding sandwich bags are verboten -- among other indignities.

    This, allegedly, was the price we had to pay for safe airplanes. The one security precaution the government refused to consider was to require extra screening for passengers who looked like the last three-dozen terrorists to attack airplanes.

    Since Muslims took down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988, every attack on a commercial airliner has been committed by foreign-born Muslim men with the same hair color, eye color and skin color. Half of them have been named Mohammed.

    An alien from the planet "Not Politically Correct" would have surveyed the situation after 9/11 and said: "You are at war with an enemy without uniforms, without morals, without a country and without a leader -- but the one advantage you have is they all look alike. ... What? ... What did I say?"

    The only advantage we have in a war with stateless terrorists was ruled out of order ab initio by political correctness.

    And so, despite 5 trillion Americans opening laptops, surrendering lip gloss and drinking breast milk in airports day after day for the past eight years, the government still couldn't stop a Nigerian Muslim from nearly blowing up a plane over Detroit on Christmas Day.

    The "warning signs" exhibited by this particular passenger included the following:

    His name was Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

    He's Nigerian.

    He's a Muslim.

    His name was Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

    He boarded a plane in Lagos, Nigeria.

    He paid nearly $3,000 in cash for his ticket.

    He had no luggage.

    His name was Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

    Two months ago, his father warned the U.S. that he was a radical Muslim and possibly dangerous.

    If our security procedures can't stop this guy, can't we just dispense with those procedures altogether? What's the point exactly?

    (To be fair, the father's warning might have been taken more seriously if he had not simultaneously asked for the U.S. Embassy's Social Security number and bank routing number in order to convey a $28 million inheritance that was trapped in a Nigerian bank account.)

    The warning from Abdulmutallab's father put his son on some list, but not the "no fly" list. Apparently, it's tougher to get on the "no fly" list than it was to get into Studio 54 in the '70s. Currently, the only people on the "no fly" list" are the Blind Sheik and Sean Penn.

    The government is like the drunk looking for his keys under a lamppost. Someone stops to help, and asks, "Is this where you lost them?" No, the drunk answers, but the light's better here.

    The government refuses to perform the only possibly effective security check -- search Muslims -- so instead it harasses infinitely compliant Americans. Will that help avert a terrorist attack? No, but the Americans don't complain.

    The only reason Abdulmutallab didn't succeed in bringing down an airplane with 278 passengers was that: (1) A brave Dutchman leapt from his seat and extinguished the smoldering Nigerian; and (2) the Nigerian apparently didn't have enough detonating fluid to cause a powerful explosion.

    In addition to the no blanket, no computer, no bathroom rule, perhaps the airlines could add this to their preflight announcement about seat belts and emergency exits: "Should a passenger sitting near you attempt to detonate an explosive device, you may be called upon to render emergency assistance. Would you be willing to do so under those circumstances? If not we will assign you another seat ..."
  2. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    31 Dec '09 18:17
    Source:

    http://www.anncoulter.com/
  3. 31 Dec '09 18:20
    Point:

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  4. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    31 Dec '09 18:21 / 2 edits
    He paid nearly $3,000 in cash for his ticket.

    He had no luggage.

    His name was Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

    Two months ago, his father warned the U.S. that he was a radical Muslim and possibly dangerous.

    If our security procedures can't stop this guy, can't we just dispense with those procedures altogether? What's the point exactly?

    (To be fair, the father's warning might have been taken more seriously if he had not simultaneously asked for the U.S. Embassy's Social Security number and bank routing number in order to convey a $28 million inheritance that was trapped in a Nigerian bank account.)

    The warning from Abdulmutallab's father put his son on some list, but not the "no fly" list. Apparently, it's tougher to get on the "no fly" list than it was to get into Studio 54 in the '70s. Currently, the only people on the "no fly" list" are the Blind Sheik and Sean Penn.

    The government is like the drunk looking for his keys under a lamppost. Someone stops to help, and asks, "Is this where you lost them?" No, the drunk answers, but the light's better here.




    Shoot the messenger if you will (and the dripping sarcasm doesn't help cause people to take her seriously); but the underlying point is not a terrible point.
  5. 31 Dec '09 18:50 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    [i]He paid nearly $3,000 in cash for his ticket.

    He had no luggage.

    His name was Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

    Two months ago, his father warned the U.S. that he was a radical Muslim and possibly dangerous.

    If our security procedures can't stop this guy, can't we just dispense with those procedures altogether? What's the point exactly?

    (To be fair, ple to take her seriously); but the underlying point is not a terrible point.
    [/i]Yes. The main points here were good ones.

    The rule about not being allowed to go to the bathroom one hour before landing is especially silly. It's not going to prevent any acts of terrorism, but could lead to a great deal of olfactory unpleasantness for everyone on the flight.

    We're probably going to need to institute some form of profiling so that we're not wasting a lot of time on little old ladies from Pasadena.

    On the other hand, once a profiling policy is put into place - I would imagine the terrorists would make sure the bombers dyed their hair blonde, used those special contact lenses that make your eyes look blue, and have their name officially changed from Mohammed to Johnny Jones - and they'd walk right by while everyone's worrying about someone whose middle name is Hussein.

    But then again, the folks in charge of the Nigerian guy apparently forgot to properly instruct him in how to set off his bomb - so luckily for us, attention to detail doesn't seem to be a high priority at Terrorism Central.
  6. 31 Dec '09 19:17
    Originally posted by scacchipazzo
    Ivana Trump Escorted Off Plane: Napolitano Declares 'The System Worked'


    In response to a Nigerian Muslim trying to blow up a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit on Christmas Day, the government will now prohibit international travelers from going to the bathroom in the last hour before the plane lands.

    Terrorists who plan to bomb planes during t ...[text shortened]... stances? If not we will assign you another seat ..."
    being nigerian, muslim, and having a weird name, are not warning signs.

    not all nigerians with weird names are potential terrorists, nigeria isn't known for hosting jihadists.

    Its obvious ann coulter doesn't know what she's talking about , otherwise she wouldn't make such ridiculous claims.
  7. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    31 Dec '09 19:28 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by scacchipazzo
    The "warning signs" exhibited by this particular passenger included the following:

    His name was Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

    He's Nigerian.

    He's a Muslim.

    His name was Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

    He boarded a plane in Lagos, Nigeria.

    He paid nearly $3,000 in cash for his ticket.

    He had no luggage.

    His name was Umar Farouk Abdulmutal ...[text shortened]... y procedures can't stop this guy, can't we just dispense with those procedures altogether?
    So all the authorities had was an accusation by his father?
  8. 31 Dec '09 19:34
    You'd have to take all the info you know about terrorism and develop a detailed profile of what type of person is most likely to be a terrorist. Obviously, you'd have to go further than just whether the person has a Muslim name or not.

    And just because a person matches a profile does not mean they should be treated as if they were guilty or even a suspect. And at no time should anyone's rights be violated. But there's only so much time that an airport can spend scrutinizing passengers. We can either scrutinize people randomly, or we can focus on people who are a relatively "high risk".

    One big reservation I would have is that such a policy could lead to the public developing the assumption that everyone with a "high risk" profile was actually a terrorist or a person to be afraid of - leading to all sorts of terrible consequences.
  9. 31 Dec '09 19:35
    Oh ya,
    But how about the cash for the ticket, and NO LUGGAGE????
    I guess since he paid cash, he planned on buying everything he needed once he arrived.
    I bet it was more along the line, heck, I am heading to heaven to claim my Virgins, I don't need no stinking cloths!!
    Speed up the trail, and let the passengers aboard the plane decide this guys fate?
    Rather than waste tax payer money to give this thing a world stage....
    Life in prison,, next.
  10. 31 Dec '09 19:49
    Originally posted by Hugh Glass
    Oh ya,
    But how about the cash for the ticket, and NO LUGGAGE????
    I guess since he paid cash, he planned on buying everything he needed once he arrived.
    I bet it was more along the line, heck, I am heading to heaven to claim my Virgins, I don't need no stinking cloths!!
    Speed up the trail, and let the passengers aboard the plane decide this guys fate?
    Rather than waste tax payer money to give this thing a world stage....
    Life in prison,, next.
    agreed.
  11. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    31 Dec '09 20:04
    Originally posted by Hugh Glass
    Oh ya,
    But how about the cash for the ticket, and NO LUGGAGE????
    I guess since he paid cash, he planned on buying everything he needed once he arrived.
    I bet it was more along the line, heck, I am heading to heaven to claim my Virgins, I don't need no stinking cloths!!
    Speed up the trail, and let the passengers aboard the plane decide this guys fate?
    Rather than waste tax payer money to give this thing a world stage....
    Life in prison,, next.
    Yes, life in Supermax. His cell can be right next to Ted Kazinski's (unabomber). Maybe ol' Ted will give him a point or two about making stuff go boom.
  12. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    31 Dec '09 20:05 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Palynka
    So all the authorities had was an accusation by his father?
    Gee, don't you think that if a guy's own father tells the authorities that he's a threat to commit an act of terrorism, that ought to get him on some sort of heightened scrutiny list??
  13. Standard member expuddlepirate
    Exaulted high possum
    02 Jan '10 01:23 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by scacchipazzo
    Ivana Trump Escorted Off Plane: Napolitano Declares 'The System Worked'


    In response to a Nigerian Muslim trying to blow up a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit on Christmas Day, the government will now prohibit international travelers from going to the bathroom in the last hour before the plane lands.

    Terrorists who plan to bomb planes during t stances? If not we will assign you another seat ..."
    Now how many elderly asian women ( least likely group to be involved in crime in the US, statisticly speaking) will have to be manhandled and strip searched as a result of this in the name of "fairness" ?