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  1. Standard member sasquatch672
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    27 Oct '12 17:43
    So now we know: Obama denied, three times, rescue attempts for the four American diplomats attacked by a thuggish, barbaric, savage mob in Benghazi. The two former SEALs killed requested to go in and were denied, they disobeyed orders and went anyway. There was a KC-130 gunship in the area that could have saved them; Obama did not deploy it. There were two separate teams of Tier 1 operators (one Delta, one SEAL) an hour away, and there was other air support an hour away.

    It strains credulity - actually, it's unfathomable - to believe that Obama was not being kept informed of the situation minute-by-minute. So Obama personally consigned those four men - including an ambassador - to their deaths.

    Obama is a coward, a soulless and petty tyrant, and the weakest leader in the history of our great nation. Shame on him, and God help us if you manage to reelect him.
  2. 27 Oct '12 17:47
    it isn't that Obama is a coward, it is that he is a liberal. Liberals hate the military. Instead liberals like to lead from behind. What does that mean, it means allowing other countries to spend money on the military so that you have more money for your social programs.

    Europe has milked the US using this doctrine for decades. The problem is that if the US follows the same doctrine, we have to rely on inferior forces to protect our people and inferior forces don't do the job as well. This is why the diplomats died. It is because the rag tag Lybian forces that were supposed to protect them weren't up to the job.

    Same thing is happening in Afghanistan. Americans die because they have locals at their back, not other Americans.
  3. Subscriber no1marauder
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    27 Oct '12 17:56
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    So now we know: Obama denied, three times, rescue attempts for the four American diplomats attacked by a thuggish, barbaric, savage mob in Benghazi. The two former SEALs killed requested to go in and were denied, they disobeyed orders and went anyway. There was a KC-130 gunship in the area that could have saved them; Obama did not deploy it. There w ...[text shortened]... n the history of our great nation. Shame on him, and God help us if you manage to reelect him.
    Do you have any links which back up these accusations?
  4. Standard member sasquatch672
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    27 Oct '12 17:56
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Do you have any links which back up these accusations?
    No1! I knew you'd ask. I'll find them.
  5. Subscriber no1marauder
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    27 Oct '12 17:57
    Originally posted by Eladar
    it isn't that Obama is a coward, it is that he is a liberal. Liberals hate the military. Instead liberals like to lead from behind. What does that mean, it means allowing other countries to spend money on the military so that you have more money for your social programs.

    Europe has milked the US using this doctrine for decades. The problem is that if t ...[text shortened]... g in Afghanistan. Americans die because they have locals at their back, not other Americans.
    How much MORE money should we spend on the military? We already spend more than the rest of the world combined.
  6. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    27 Oct '12 17:57
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    No1! I knew you'd ask. I'll find them.
    Non-lazy people post their proof with their claims.
  7. Subscriber no1marauder
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    27 Oct '12 18:04
    What part of any of this is wrong:

    AP: Agents At Benghazi Compound Alerted U.S. Officials To The Attack. In an October 9 conference call, a group of State Department officials reportedly told media outlets that additional forces came to the aid of the Benghazi compound as it was attacked. The Associated Press reported that in a control center at the compound, "agents watched on cameras as a large group of armed men flowed into the compound. They immediately sounded the alarm and made telephone calls to the embassy in Tripoli, officials in Washington, the Libyan authorities and the U.S. quick reaction force located at a second compound a little over a mile away." [Associated Press, 10/10/12, via The Boston Globe]

    AP: Six-Member Quick Reaction Team And 60 Libyan Militiamen In Benghazi Responded To The Attack. The AP reported that a "six-member quick reaction security team arrived on the scene from its compound across town, the officials said. About 60 Libyan militiamen accompanied the team, and it again tried to secure a perimeter around [Ambassador Chris] Stevens' building, taking turns searching inside." [Associated Press, 10/10/12, via The Boston Globe]

    AP: Reinforcements From Embassy In Tripoli Arrived The Same Night. The quick-response team returned to its compound across town and the same night, a "team of reinforcements from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli arrived on a chartered aircraft at the Benghazi airport and reached the security compound," the AP explained. [Associated Press, 10/10/12, via The Boston Globe]

    http://mediamatters.org/mobile/research/2012/10/26/foxs-new-low-accusing-obama-admin-of-abandoning/190948
  8. 27 Oct '12 18:12 / 1 edit
    So how many here think that the US would have a dead ambassodor in Libya had Gaddafi remained in power?

    How many here think that the attack on Libya did not demand that Obama consult Congress under the War Powers Act? Obama claimed that it was not really a war, so he did not need to consult Congress? Does anyone buy that?

    The President claims that they did not have sufficient evidence to blame the attack on terrorism. However, where is the evidence that the violence was caused by the videos like the claim? It is pretty obvious to me that Obama was desperate to make it look as though the videos were to blame. That way he could avoid criticism about the mess he made in Libya. He could then just glibly say that the attacks would have occurred under Gaddafi as well.
  9. Subscriber no1marauder
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    27 Oct '12 18:18 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    So how many here think that the US would have a dead ambassodor in Libya had Gaddafi remained in power?

    How many here think that the attack on Libya did not demand that Obama consult Congress under the War Powers Act? Obama claimed that it was not really a war, so he did not need to consult Congress? Does anyone buy that?

    The President claims that the ...[text shortened]... ibya. He could then just glibly say that the attacks would have occurred under Gaddafi as well.
    The attackers told people at the scene they were motivated by the video:

    The fighters said at the time that they were moved to act because of the video, which had first gained attention across the region after a protest in Egypt that day. The assailants approvingly recalled a 2006 assault by local Islamists that had destroyed an Italian diplomatic mission in Benghazi over a perceived insult to the prophet. In June the group staged a similar attack against the Tunisian Consulate over a different film, according to the Congressional testimony of the American security chief at the time, Eric A. Nordstrom.

    At a news conference the day after the ambassador and three other Americans were killed, a spokesman for Ansar al-Shariah praised the attack as the proper response to such an insult to Islam. “We are saluting our people for this zeal in protecting their religion, to grant victory to the prophet,” the spokesman said. “The response has to be firm.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/world/africa/election-year-stakes-overshadow-nuances-of-benghazi-investigation.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&ref=daviddkirkpatrick
  10. Standard member sasquatch672
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    27 Oct '12 18:21
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Non-lazy people post their proof with their claims.
    OK - so I'm lazy.

    http://cnsnews.com/sites/default/files/documents/BENGHAZI-STATE%20DEPARTMENT-EMAILS.pdf

    Additional information includes that two Global Hawks were circling the compound, providing a real-time video stream to, among other places, the State Department and the White House Situation Room.
  11. 27 Oct '12 18:24
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    The attackers told people at the scene they were motivated by the video:

    The fighters said at the time that they were moved to act because of the video, which had first gained attention across the region after a protest in Egypt that day. The assailants approvingly recalled a 2006 assault by local Islamists that had destroyed an Italian diplomatic mis ...[text shortened]... stakes-overshadow-nuances-of-benghazi-investigation.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&ref=daviddkirkpatrick
    So you are saying that it was not a terrorist plot all along?
  12. Subscriber no1marauder
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    27 Oct '12 18:24
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    OK - so I'm lazy.

    http://cnsnews.com/sites/default/files/documents/BENGHAZI-STATE%20DEPARTMENT-EMAILS.pdf

    Additional information includes that two Global Hawks were circling the compound, providing a real-time video stream to, among other places, the State Department and the White House Situation Room.
    Not much help for you there; the second e-mail says the firing has stopped and the compound has been cleared. Further, it was made at 4:54 PM only 49 minutes after the first one.
  13. Subscriber no1marauder
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    27 Oct '12 18:26
    Originally posted by whodey
    So you are saying that it was not a terrorist plot all along?
    I go where the facts take me. It by a "terrorist plot" you mean something that was planned well in advance (days or so), then no the attack doesn't seem to have been a "terrorist plot". It still was an "act of terror" however.
  14. 27 Oct '12 18:28
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    OK - so I'm lazy.

    http://cnsnews.com/sites/default/files/documents/BENGHAZI-STATE%20DEPARTMENT-EMAILS.pdf

    Additional information includes that two Global Hawks were circling the compound, providing a real-time video stream to, among other places, the State Department and the White House Situation Room.
    That link looks legit.
  15. Standard member sasquatch672
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    27 Oct '12 18:30
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    What part of any of this is wrong:

    AP: Agents At Benghazi Compound Alerted U.S. Officials To The Attack. In an October 9 conference call, a group of State Department officials reportedly told media outlets that additional forces came to the aid of the Benghazi compound as it was attacked. The Associated Press reported that in a control center at the c ...[text shortened]... ers.org/mobile/research/2012/10/26/foxs-new-low-accusing-obama-admin-of-abandoning/190948
    Not saying any of it is wrong. I am saying that the timelines are left out, and four hours into the attack, no one had arrived. I am also saying that the Obama administration denied requests to assist Ambassador Stevens from the two former Navy SEALs three times twicee, and then, when they disobeyed orders, went to the compound and found the Ambassador, requested assistance, and again, the White House denied them assistance. Three times they were denied assistance, in an area with a boatload of military assets an hour away to assist. And then Obama went to bed, in the middle of the crisis, because he had to go to a fundraiser in Las Vegas the following day.

    Even David Petraeus threw Obama under the bus:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/26/Petraeus-on-Benghazi-It-Wasnt-Me