Originally posted by sasquatch672
It's taken me several days to properly process your post, and come up with a half-adequate response. So I apologize for the delay.
First, let me say that I truly hope you're doing a bit better with your personal struggles.
Second, let me say that I never intentionally directed any vitriol toward you. Yes, it's true that I pour down fire on the ...[text shortened]... now vitesd, produce your evidence and let me be judged, or apologize for a reckless accusation.
It annoys me when people say they're leaving, and letting their interlocuter have the last word - and then keep showing up again. And here I am doing it.
You asked for one example, Sas. I thought the one I cited was sufficient, but I give another below. I came across some more that I could list that I think would qualify. But I’m not going to spend my time going over all of your past posts to come up with a comprehensive list.
I doubt they qualify technically as “hate speech” - but that was not the accusation. The accusation was that you had said “hateful”
things. I said that might depend on how you define “hateful”. Here are some synonyms for “hateful”
that I found in the dictionary: malicious, malign, mean, nasty, spiteful, vicious, virulent
I think that pretty accurately describes the examples I’ve now given.
Lazy, self-satisfied, and grandiose in their consumptive ambition, they have condemned their grandchildren to a lifetime of servitude to the US debt, while they themselves have lived an existence of permanent adolescence. . . . Yep - those Baby Boomers...you are freaking leeches on society. Not all of you, but most of you.
Oh, “not all”, just “most” of us! Now, I don’t know “most” baby-boomers - and neither do you: and that itself puts the lie to your rant here. I put myself through school while working full-time, first in canneries, then in a papermill (strictly physical blue-collar, production worker) to support my family. I’ve never had a “government job”. I’m now retired: I collect from the funds of deferred wages that I paid in; without apology.
But I knew a lot of baby-boomers working in those factories, some of them Vietnam vets (yeah, they’re baby-boomers too), and I don’t recognize who you’re talking about. And I don’t think that they - or myself - owe you even as little as I just posted here to explain that we’re
not the “freaking leeches on society” that you claim “most” of us are. Do you think you’re entitled to an apology from me for my life
You have heard people make rotten, vicious generalizations about people in uniform (I remember the ones particularly from the Vietnam era) - do you think that adding “not all” but “most” - or, hell, even “some”, after the generalization has been made - would make those slanders any better? Do you think that they ought to be expected to individually raise their hands and say, “Hey I’m not one of those, don’t tar me with that brush!”?
The fact is, Sas, you make a lot of reasoned posts on here that are worth reading and paying attention to, whether one agrees with your position or not. In fact, most of them, far and away. (Your comments here about "the broader population of liberals" is an example, that stands on contrast to generalizations like 'Libs never do' [with respect to accepting the facts, if I recall.) So how fair would it be of me to make “broad-brush” generalizations about you from the crassness of the above examples? I haven’t done that. I haven’t said that you
are hateful, or malicious, or any such thing. I have not “generalized” you
, either as a person or part of some group. I have called you out on a particular behavior - a behavior that I think clearly fits the kinds of adjectives that I have applied to it.
Am I “innocent”? No. I’ve said some pretty crass things on here a few times; in all but two cases, I apologized (and those two were narrow instances, that cannot be generalized). A couple of times, I gave myself a self-ban from the forums for some time - time-out for bad behavior.
No, Sas, I don’t think I owe you an apology. And I’m not asking you for one either. But there are people out there who do deserve an apology from you for how you’ve tagged them. You don’t know all, or even most, of them - so a “broad-brush” apology would certainly be sufficient.
I leave it up to you. It has no more to do with me.
Now I really am gone, likely for good (this is not a place where I want to spend my time anyomre, for personal reasons that have nothing to do with anyone on here). You can accuse me of whatever you want. Maybe you’ll end up being right.
And, despite this, I really do mean it when I say: Be well. Because - hard as it really is to know anyone via places like this - I think I’ve also seen something of other qualities in yourself that I think are most representative of who you are, and which I appreciate and respect.