Originally posted by Duchess64
I have noticed that Blaze8492 only joined RHP yesterday, 3 December 2012.
Shouldn't Blaze8492--if not trolling--try to spend some time reading enough
earlier posts here before jumping in to provoke an argument (or 'flame war'?
I am extremely busy, and I lack the time to reply to every post of 'hasbara'
(Israeli propaganda), particularly when 'hasba ...[text shortened]... aganda.
But you might try to 'live dangerously' and read some of my suggested books.
Wow. I actually did read through a couple of the previous threads, and I assumed (perhaps at my own risk) that you actually had something of concrete value to back up your positions. And this is the response I get, something with nothing of actual value and instead, a judgment on my own position on the basis of when I joined the site? Real mature. Heck, I even quoted Nasser for you. Hasbara? Come on, grow up.
Now, if you want to dispute the origins of the Six Day War and Yom Kippur War, I'd love to hear your arguments. But if you're just gonna make a comment on how I seem to be "trolling" and offer no substance, there's not much to this conversation, is there? As opposed to your long quote of nothingness, I'm going to provide some sources for my post:
First, the quote from nasser: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/30/newsid_2493000/2493177.stm
Second, I'd like to point out that you seem to think that just because a book is written by a Jewish academic supporting your position, that makes it hold more worth. You are incorrect. The ethnic background of the author holds no weight in determining the objective facts.
Third: The Palestinian-Israeli Conflict
If you have access to JSTOR, you will find the following paper to be quite illuminating, a couple quotes from it being as follows:
"In November 1947, the General Assembly of the United Nations passed a resolution partitioning Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state. Jerusalem was to be a United Nations protectorate. The boundaries of this partition allocated to the Jews some 50 per cent of Palestine...the Jewish leaders accepted the United Nation's resolution, even though they would have found it difficult to run and to defend a state thus delimited. On the other hand, the Arab nations rejected the resolution, even though it would have given them a Palestinian state without further negotiation, and 'immediately sought the arbitration of force'...."
"...The combined Arab forces from Transjordan (crack British-trained troops), Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon (mostly under-trained and under-motivated riff-raff) invaded Palestine in an attempt to drive the Israelis into the Mediterranean Sea. By the end of 1948, the Israeli army was 100,000 strong, properly equipped with arms provided by Russia, through Czechoslovakia, and by the French (in an
overt act of hostility towards Britain), and had established a military hegemony
"...The United Nations opened Armistice talks in Rhodes on January 12, 1949, that Israel signed with Egypt (February 14), Lebanon (March 23), Transjordan (April 3) and Syria (July 20). Iraq refused to sign, and all five Arab nations remained in a state of war with Israel..."
"...The Armistice itself proved to be worthless, shredded by the Arabs almost immediately following their signatures. Between 1949 and 1956, some 1,300 Israelis were murdered during Arab raids, and Israel's retaliatory attacks became increasingly severe. On July 20, 1951, the only remaining moderate Arab leader, King Abdullah of Jordan, was assassinated by Arab militants. On July 23, 1952, a military junta ousted the Egyptian monarchy, leading
in turn (February 25, 1954) to the populist dictatorship of Gamul Abdul Nasser who led a government overtly dedicated to Israel's destruction..."
"...Egged on by Palestinian radicals, in early June 1967, armies of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt massed on Israel's borders, preparing for yet another united effort to defeat their enemy On June 5, Israel preempted the war, eliminating Egyptian air power, and simultaneously striking targets in Egypt, Jordan and Syria. Undisciplined Arab armies fled the field..."
Rowley, Charles K. and Jennis Taylor. 2006. "The Israel and Palestine Land Settlement Problem, 1948-2005: An Analytical History." Public Choice, Vol. 128, No. 1/2, The Political Economy of Terrorism. pp 77-90. http://www.jstor.org/stable/30026634 .
If you have any peer-reviewed academic articles which you can point to describing an alternate history, please, by all means, send them my way. As to your books, here's a couple authors you might try reading to provide an alternative viewpoint:
"The Right to Exist: A Moral Defense of Israel's Wars" by Yaacov Lozowich