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  1. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    30 Dec '10 12:08 / 1 edit
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/29/AR2010122901940.html

    Sarah Palin's recent attacks against Michelle Obama's anti obesity campaign is not scoring many positive points with the public. Obesity in America is very real, and has nothing to do with partisan politics. Even some fellow Republicans have voiced support for the first lady's efforts. Why would Sarah Palin be against an anti obesity effort?...Or is Palin attacking the first lady out of spite?
  2. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    30 Dec '10 13:56
    Originally posted by bill718
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/29/AR2010122901940.html

    Sarah Palin's recent attacks against Michelle Obama's anti obesity campaign is not scoring many positive points with the public. Obesity in America is very real, and has nothing to do with partisan politics. Even some fellow Republicans have voiced support for the first l ...[text shortened]... Palin be against an anti obesity effort?...Or is Palin attacking the first lady out of spite?
    She's attacking the first lady because the first lady is her political opponent. Nothing more, nothing less.

    However, I agree that any anti-obesity measures, especially those that encourage voluntary efforts rather than relying on compulsory regulations, are good and should be encouraged.
  3. 30 Dec '10 14:08
    Originally posted by sh76
    She's attacking the first lady because the first lady is her political opponent. Nothing more, nothing less.
    But you've dodged the question, nothing more, nothing less. Is Palin's attack on the First lady spiteful or do you think it is genuinely offering some kind of alternative political solution to obesity?
  4. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    30 Dec '10 14:14
    Originally posted by John W Booth
    But you've dodged the question, nothing more, nothing less. Is Palin's attack on the First lady spiteful or do you think it is genuinely offering some kind of alternative political solution to obesity?
    Neither. It's an attack pressed for political advantage. That's not spiteful because she's trying to score political points not specifically hurt Michele Obama. I don't think Palin has anything specific against Michelle Obama per se. Neither is she offering some kind of alternative solution.

    Michelle Obama wants to start programs to improve the obesity problem in the US. Palin sees this as a chance to paint the Obamas as people interested in perpetuating and expanding the nanny state. Is this spiteful or malicious? Not really. Is it constructive? Again, not really. So I have no choice but to answer the question with a resounding "neither."
  5. 30 Dec '10 14:21
    Originally posted by sh76
    Neither. It's an attack pressed for political advantage. That's not spiteful because she's trying to score political points not specifically hurt Michele Obama. I don't think Palin has anything specific against Michelle Obama per se.
    Presumably you have detected the widespread spite - vitriolic, unequivocal spite - directed towards the First Lady among many people who support Palin and yet you are suggesting that her attack has somehow got nothing to do with this spite among her supporters, and that her attack is therefore "not spiteful"?
  6. 30 Dec '10 14:33
    Originally posted by John W Booth
    Presumably you have detected the widespread spite - vitriolic, unequivocal spite - directed towards the First Lady among many people who support Palin and yet you are suggesting that her attack has somehow got nothing to do with this spite among her supporters, and that her attack is therefore "not spiteful"?
    It would probably be more accurate to say that Palin is trying to mobilize and fuel this spite for political gain, but this does not necessarily imply that she herself is feeling spiteful towards Michelle Obama.
  7. 30 Dec '10 14:35
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    It would probably be more accurate to say that Palin is trying to mobilize and fuel this spite for political gain, but this does not necessarily imply that she herself is feeling spiteful towards Michelle Obama.
    Really?
  8. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    30 Dec '10 16:28
    Originally posted by John W Booth
    Really?
    It's business, not personal.
  9. 30 Dec '10 16:55
    Originally posted by John W Booth
    Really?
    Sure. To be a politician you have to be a good liar. We'll never know what Sarah Palin really thinks (if she is capable of doing so, that is).
  10. 30 Dec '10 17:03
    If the Washington Post and other news organizations would stop covering Sarah Palin, maybe she would go away.
  11. 30 Dec '10 19:24
    Originally posted by John W Booth
    Presumably you have detected the widespread spite - vitriolic, unequivocal spite - directed towards the First Lady among many people who support Palin and yet you are suggesting that her attack has somehow got nothing to do with this spite among her supporters, and that her attack is therefore "not spiteful"?
    Why is it that the motivations of Sarah Palin-supporters have to be necessarily the same as that of Sarah Palin herself? There is nothing to suggest Palin is being spiteful, although her criticism may be unscrupulous and opportunistic, as sh76 rightly pointed out, it isn't necessarily driven by hate of the first lady.
  12. 30 Dec '10 22:30 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by bill718
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/29/AR2010122901940.html

    Sarah Palin's recent attacks against Michelle Obama's anti obesity campaign is not scoring many positive points with the public. Obesity in America is very real, and has nothing to do with partisan politics. Even some fellow Republicans have voiced support for the first l Palin be against an anti obesity effort?...Or is Palin attacking the first lady out of spite?
    Richard Wollfe recently attacked Sarah Palin after asking her what her favorite author was. She replied it was C.S. Lewis, to which he mockingly referred to her as a lover of childrens tails. Obviously, the baffoon had no idea that C.S. Lewis was an accomplished author and not just a writer of children's tails.

    I have to admit, I'm not much of a fan of Palin's, but it's nice to see those who try to mock her have it actually backfire on themselves for a change.
  13. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    30 Dec '10 22:54
    Originally posted by whodey
    She replied it was C.S. Lewis, to which he mockingly referred to her as a lover of childrens tails.
    I'm not even going to take a swing at a softball that big. It'd be like shootin' fish in a barrel.
  14. 30 Dec '10 23:13
    Originally posted by bill718
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/29/AR2010122901940.html

    Sarah Palin's recent attacks against Michelle Obama's anti obesity campaign is not scoring many positive points with the public. Obesity in America is very real, and has nothing to do with partisan politics. Even some fellow Republicans have voiced support for the first l ...[text shortened]... Palin be against an anti obesity effort?...Or is Palin attacking the first lady out of spite?
    She has always been a sideshow. It's just some of you paid the money to see the geek bite the head off of the chicken.
  15. 31 Dec '10 00:41
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Sure. To be a politician you have to be a good liar. We'll never know what Sarah Palin really thinks (if she is capable of doing so, that is).
    So if Palin was making coded racist remarks, for instance, in order to "try to mobilize and fuel" the racism of her supporters, Palin would somehow be absolved of accusations of racism because her motive was "political gain" and because "...we'll never know what [she] really thinks"?