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  1. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    24 Jul '15 19:04
    Here's twenty minutes of the most brutal attack I've ever seen by a US Senator on his own caucus. He calls out McConnell in particular and the Senate in general as a bunch of liars, selling out the taxpayers to cronyism. He says we have "government of the lobbyist, by the lobbyist, for the lobbyist" and the only person he says anything good about is Bernie Sanders for at least being honest. He's absolutely right.

    Anybody here, left or right, disagree with him?

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  2. 24 Jul '15 19:06 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Here's twenty minutes of the most brutal attack I've ever seen by a US Senator on his own caucus. He calls out McConnell in particular and the Senate in general as a bunch of liars, selling out the taxpayers to cronyism. He says we have "government of the lobbyist, by the lobbyist, for the lobbyist" and the only person he says anything good about is Berni ...[text shortened]... tely right.

    Anybody here, left or right, disagree with him?

    [youtube]eu77aiLXTNQ[/youtube]
    Of course McConnell is a liar. He's establishment all the way. He's no different than the Bushes, Clintons, Obama and the rest of the Republicrats.
  3. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    24 Jul '15 20:58
    Very strong speaker, excellent, relaxed style, seemingly without notes. Only pity is that all that passion is expended over a procedurally weird amendment.

    He remarks several time that a vote taken over an issue with "Obamacare" was purely cosmetic as it was incapable of achieving anything. The same could surely be said about his passionate speech and his amendment. If you want to rally the masses around a principled campaign, why make it such a convoluted and logically flawed one that it makes no sense?

    He wants to make the proposed deal with Iran (which cannot possibly have any relevance to the matters in debate, since the topic seems to be a mass transit bill) conditional on accepting the right of Israel to exist (in itself a quite separate subject to the Iran deal, but also a largely empty rhetorical concept) as a Jewish state (a refinement which even many Jews in Israel would not accept; why must the USA insist on the shift from an Israeli secular democracy to an Israeli theocracy and why must Iran approve such a sectarian and racist concept as a condition for a deal on nuclear weapons?) and ALSO conditional on the release of alleged (I for one have no idea if this is a fair allegation) American hostages (yet another topic which, surely, can only confuse things). If they were debating the Iran deal then these amendments would still be confused and better split off into different debates. But they were debating something entirely different.

    In short. The guy's sincerity may be impeccable, but his ability to organise a coherent set of thoughts on a logical topic for any length of time has to be in doubt. Nice speaker though. Could do after dinner speeches for a good fee. Or before lunch speeches, since his audience seems to have left the room and presumably gone for lunch.

    By the way, curious to see the freedom to call his fellow senators and the leader of his party in the senate liars so directly without any consequences arising. Such language would be considered "unparliamentary" in England's model institution to which all the world defers. It is hard to see how he can go on working with people he has called lairs afterwards.
  4. 24 Jul '15 21:20
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Very strong speaker, excellent, relaxed style, seemingly without notes. Only pity is that all that passion is expended over a procedurally weird amendment.

    He remarks several time that a vote taken over an issue with "Obamacare" was purely cosmetic as it was incapable of achieving anything. The same could surely be said about his passionate speech and ...[text shortened]... d defers. It is hard to see how he can go on working with people he has called lairs afterwards.
    He was talking about to different issues. The second one being the Iran deal hence the proposed amendments concerning the release of prisoners and Israel being recognized by Iran.
  5. Standard member Soothfast
    0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,
    25 Jul '15 03:25
    https://parliamentfights.wordpress.com/
  6. Standard member vivify
    rain
    25 Jul '15 03:43 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    the only person he says anything good about is Bernie Sanders for at least being honest. He's absolutely right.
    Bernie Sanders is going to end up being the Democrat's version of Ron Paul.
  7. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    25 Jul '15 08:37 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Here's twenty minutes of the most brutal attack I've ever seen by a US Senator on his own caucus. He calls out McConnell in particular and the Senate in general as a bunch of liars, selling out the taxpayers to cronyism. He says we have "government of the lobbyist, by the lobbyist, for the lobbyist" and the only person he says anything good about is Berni ...[text shortened]... tely right.

    Anybody here, left or right, disagree with him?

    [youtube]eu77aiLXTNQ[/youtube]
    I never liked Mitch McConnell as leader of the Republican Senate and hoped he would get defeated, but I never realized he was as bad as Harry Reid. And apparently neither did Ted Cruz.

    This just verifies what Donald Trump said about buying off congressmen by lobbying and giving them campaign money. Finally we are getting some of the truth out about why our government is so screwed up.
  8. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    25 Jul '15 08:49 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Very strong speaker, excellent, relaxed style, seemingly without notes. Only pity is that all that passion is expended over a procedurally weird amendment.

    He remarks several time that a vote taken over an issue with "Obamacare" was purely cosmetic as it was incapable of achieving anything. The same could surely be said about his passionate speech and ...[text shortened]... d defers. It is hard to see how he can go on working with people he has called lairs afterwards.
    No one Congressman can do anything without support of enough of the others. I believe his speech before the Senate was meant to shame the leader of the Senate and other congressmen before the public in hopes some changes for the better can be made. I hope others will gain enough courage to speak the truth before the people instead of continually hiding behind lies.

    Calling another Senator a liar is not considered proper in US politics either. And sometimes, there can be discplinary actions taken. So it does take courage for him to call it like he sees it.
  9. 25 Jul '15 08:55
    Who needs Big Brother when you have the American presidential election?
  10. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    25 Jul '15 09:45
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Who needs Big Brother when you have the American presidential election?
    Yes, this appears to be building up to be a fun election.
  11. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    25 Jul '15 09:56 / 1 edit
    This just verifies what Donald Trump said about buying off congressmen by lobbying and giving them campaign money. Finally we are getting some of the truth out about why our government is so screwed up.

    Finding out the truth about why our government is so screwed up is the easy part. The hard part is finding a solution, the hardest part is applying that solution in the real world.
  12. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    25 Jul '15 10:02
    Originally posted by bill718
    This just verifies what Donald Trump said about buying off congressmen by lobbying and giving them campaign money. Finally we are getting some of the truth out about why our government is so screwed up.

    Finding out the truth about why our government is so screwed up is the easy part. The hard part is finding a solution, the hardest part is applying that solution in the real world.
    Donald Trump claims to have the solution and can get things done, like building a wall across our southern border and getting Mexico to pay for it.
  13. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    25 Jul '15 16:01
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Donald Trump claims to have the solution and can get things done, like building a wall across our southern border and getting Mexico to pay for it.
    Oh, yeah, Trump can get THAT done
  14. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    26 Jul '15 00:54
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Oh, yeah, Trump can get THAT done
    We'll never know unless he is given a chance.

    The Near Genius
  15. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    26 Jul '15 01:26
    Drug Lord 'El Chapo' Threatens to Fire Donald Trump Permanently

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