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  1. 29 Jan '17 22:16
    from a fascinating article looking at why multiculturalism has failed.

    Only in the late 1980s did the question of cultural differences become important. A generation that, ironically, is far more integrated and westernized than the first turned out to be the more insistent on maintaining its alleged distinctiveness. The reasons for this shift are complex. Partly they lie in a tangled web of larger social, political, and economic changes over the past half century, such as the collapse of the left and the rise of identity politics. Partly they lie in international developments, such as the Iranian Revolution of 1979 and the Bosnian war of the early 1990s, both of which played an important role in fostering a more heightened sense of Muslim identity in Europe. And partly they lie in European multicultural policies.

    Group identities are not natural categories; they arise out of social interaction. But as cultural categories received official sanction, certain identities came to seem fixed. In channeling financial resources and political power through ethnically based organizations, governments provided a form of authenticity to certain ethnic identities and denied it to others.

    Multicultural policies seek to build a bridge between the state and minority communities by looking to particular community organizations and leaders to act as intermediaries. Rather than appeal to Muslims and other minorities as citizens, politicians tend to assume minorities’ true loyalty is to their faith or ethnic community. In effect, governments subcontract their political responsibilities out to minority leaders.

    Such leaders are, however, rarely representative of their communities. That shouldn’t be a surprise: no single group or set of leaders could represent a single white community. Some white Europeans are conservative, many are liberal, and still others are communist or neofascist. And most whites would not see their interests as specifically “white.” A white Christian probably has more in common with a black Christian than with a white atheist; a white socialist would likely think more like a Bangladeshi socialist than like a white conservative; and so on. Muslims and Sikhs and African Caribbeans are no different; herein rests the fundamental flaw of multiculturalism.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/western-europe/failure-multiculturalism
  2. 29 Jan '17 22:25 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    from a fascinating article looking at why multiculturalism has failed.

    Only in the late 1980s did the question of cultural differences become important. A generation that, ironically, is far more integrated and westernized than the first turned out to be the more insistent on maintaining its alleged distinctiveness. The reasons for this shift are ...[text shortened]... iculturalism.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/western-europe/failure-multiculturalism
    The US media is full of stuff (nearly all by white writers) attempting to downplay racism.

    "A white Christian probably has more in common with a black Christian than with a white atheist."

    Really? Until 1865, many American white Christians were happy to keep black Christians enslaved.
    I don't recall that any attempt by white Christians to enslave white atheists.

    Today a white Christian and a white atheist could belong to the same all-white private club
    or, if they had white spouses, send their children to the same all-white private school.

    It's too bad that Dylann Roof, a white American Christian, did not feel that he had
    enough in common with the nine black American Christians whom he murdered in church.
  3. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    29 Jan '17 22:25
    Only in the late 1980s did the question of cultural differences become important.


    Nonsense.
  4. 29 Jan '17 22:34
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    The US media is full of stuff (nearly all by white writers) attempting to downplay racism.

    "A white Christian probably has more in common with a black Christian than with a white atheist."

    Really? Until 1865, many American white Christians were happy to keep black Christians enslaved.
    I don't recall that any attempt by white Christians to enslave w ...[text shortened]... at he had
    enough in common with the nine black American Christians whom he murdered in church.
    The article is about Europe and the failure of European multiculturalism. How you could fail to have recognised this I have no idea.
  5. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    29 Jan '17 22:35
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    The article is about Europe and the failure of European multiculturalism. How you could fail to have recognised this I have no idea.
    Nazi Germany?
  6. 29 Jan '17 22:36
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Only in the late 1980s did the question of cultural differences become important.


    Nonsense.
    taking a single sentence out of context and attempting to make a point is not going to work for you, sorry. Its clear you have not read the article in its entirety, perhaps its too long for you?
  7. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    29 Jan '17 22:37 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    taking a single sentence out of context and attempting to make a point is not going to work for you, sorry. Its clear you have not read the article in its entirety, perhaps its too long for you?
    Rather than appeal to Muslims and other minorities as citizens, politicians tend to assume minorities’ true loyalty is to their faith or ethnic community.


    Nazi Germany? Imperial Spain?
  8. 29 Jan '17 22:38 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    The article is about Europe and the failure of European multiculturalism.
    How you could fail to have recognised this I have no idea.
    Robbie Carrobie shows more poor 'reading comprehension'. Note that I wrote of 'the US media'.
    I referred to the American source of the publication, *not* the subject of its article.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Affairs

    "Foreign Affairs is an American magazine of international relations and U.S. foreign
    policy published by the Council on Foreign Relations"

    In the US media, some writers are motivated to downplay racism in Western societies outside the USA too.
  9. 29 Jan '17 22:40 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Nazi Germany?
    Please read the article and then you may have something worthy to say. Here is the comment that you attempted to take out of context and make well some kind of ill informed statement about.

    Only in the late 1980s did the question of cultural differences become important. A generation that, ironically, is far more integrated and westernized than the first turned out to be the more insistent on maintaining its alleged distinctiveness.

    You will see that its made with reference to second generation Europeans from immigrant families.

    If you are not willing to put forth the effort I would appreciate very much if you refrained from making these futile and ultimately erroneous judgements based on not having read the article.
  10. 29 Jan '17 22:42 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Robbie Carrobie shows more poor 'reading comprehension'. Note that I wrote of 'the US media'.
    I referred to the American source of the publication, *not* the subject of its article.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Affairs

    "Foreign Affairs is an American magazine of international relations and U.S. foreign
    policy published by the Council on ...[text shortened]... S media, some writers are motivated to downplay racism in Western societies outside the USA too.
    Then if you will not address the content of the article I would be pleased if you did after all that's why it was cited. Attacking the source is not going to work for you either, So predictable and so banal!
  11. 29 Jan '17 22:47 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Then if you will not address the content of the article I would be pleased if you did
    after all that's why it was cited. Attacking the source is not going to work for you either,
    So predictable and so banal!
    Robbie Carrobie keeps showing more poor 'reading comprehension' or more of his usual dishonesty.

    I already have criticized the writer's claim that a "white Christian probably has more in
    common with a black Christian than with a white atheist'. I suspect that a white Christian
    and a white atheist are more likely than a black Christian to live in the same neighbourhood.
  12. 29 Jan '17 22:57 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Robbie Carrobie keeps showing more poor 'reading comprehension' or more of his usual dishonesty.

    I already have criticized the writer's claim that a "white Christian probably has more in
    common with a black Christian than with a white atheist'. I suspect that a white Christian
    and a white atheist are more likely than a black Christian to live in the same neighbourhood.
    Yes you did so with the rather silly attempt to use an anomaly to prove your point (Christians tend not to shoot up each others churches, just sayin). How ill conceived, how illogical, how devoid, how vacuous, how so intellectually dishonest!
  13. 29 Jan '17 22:59
    I think 1000's point is that like the Nazis, Muslims are only going to be forced out by force and should be done sooner than later to prevent them from gaining a strong foothold in Europe.
  14. 29 Jan '17 22:59 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Yes you did so with the rather silly attempt to use an anomaly to prove your point (Christians tend not
    to shoot up each others churches, just sayin). How ill conceived, how illogical, how devoid, how vacuous,
    how so intellectually dishonest!
    The lying troll Robbie Carrobie again dishonestly distorts what I wrote.
  15. 29 Jan '17 22:59
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Rather than appeal to Muslims and other minorities as citizens, politicians tend to assume minorities’ true loyalty is to their faith or ethnic community.


    Nazi Germany? Imperial Spain?
    Sigh. . . the focus of the article is post world war two, you would know that if you read it.