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  1. Standard member checkbaiter
    By God's Grace
    01 Apr '17 13:38
    TRANSCRIPT

    Everything you hear from the supporters of illegal immigration is a lie, especially the big lie that they are motivated by the suffering and so forth of what they term the "undocumented." First off the term "undocumented." That's nothing but a purely politically correct euphemism to mask over the truth. They are "undocumented" because they don't have documents, and they don't have documents because they are here illegally.

    So as usual, the Left does everything it can to introduce a new vocabulary that disguises the truth, just like they did with "pro-choice," without ever clarifying that the choice they support is to butcher the baby in the womb. And so it goes with them.

    Now, the big lie in the immigration debate with the resulting masking over of reality is very simple. They don't care about the safety, poverty and living conditions of many immigrants. They only care about swelling the numbers of their voter rolls. The Left has been so opposed to children for 50 years that their numbers are declining.

    The birth rate in America now stands at its lowest since before World War II. Staggering that is. As we said here at Church Militant a number of years ago, the actual raw numbers of Americans will soon go into reverse as is currently happening in various European nations — Italy being the most recent to announce yet a drop in the actual number of Italians on the earth. There are now 300,000 fewer Italians on the earth right now than there were this time last year.

    And this is America's fate as well because like so many other sophisticated Western nations, hellbent on exchanging their children for sexual pleasure and materialistic gain, they embraced contraception and of course abortion for when the contraception fails.

    And now the chickens are coming home to roost, and the numbers are starting to reveal the reality. And now, the "Party of Death" needs some new life, an irony if there ever was one. So, it's not about humanity and caring and so forth, it's simple arithmetic.

    And here's a major point to consider, you almost never hear the Left, so in love with justice and poverty alleviation, ever talking about raising the wages for those tens or hundreds of thousands of illegal farm workers. Where is all the clamoring by the bleeding hearts for that issue? They're good enough to sign up and try to get driver's licenses and get on voter rolls, but as far as a living wage, where they can actually afford to feed a family and buy a car to take them to the polls, forget about it.

    How many bleeding-heart liberals, so faux-horrified at the prospect of ICE breaking up families, are actually economically abusing their illegal maids and construction workers and gardeners? Truth be told, they don't give a damn about them. To the socialist crowd, they are just pawns and tokens to be used.

    Here's the reality, if the socialist gang that actually hires "undocumented" maids and gardeners and so forth were to pay them what they deserved, well then, they could have a place at the table. Give Maria your maid the $65,000 a year plus benefits, paid leave, vacation, sick days and health insurance and pension plans she would be able to demand if she were here legally, and then you might be worth listening to.

    Recently, I was a guest on a local Detroit broadcast where the issue of illegal immigration was the topic. Of all the guests, I was the only one who was not in support of "illegals." But not for political reasons but moral reasons, specifically Catholic moral reasons, and I said so.

    I asked the question of the other guests directly, are you willing to pay $11 for a pound of tomatoes instead of the current two bucks? How about $7 for a head of lettuce because that's what you'd be paying if these illegal migrant farm workers were paid a living wage. The answer I got, as you might imagine, was no answer.

    But see, therein lies the political issue for the Left, if they were to demand a living wage for all the illegals toiling away every day in various capacities, then American citizens would line up for those jobs.

    Many Americans won't because they they won't work for a quarter or so a day. But if all of a sudden, a whole new career field opened up that paid $40,000 a year, the picture would suddenly change dramatically.

    There would be sudden demand from the lower ranks of the socio-economic ladder to get rid of the illegals because they truly are taking jobs that Americans want from Americans. So the socialist crowd is left in the rather awkward position of trying to have their cake and eat it too. They want them here, and they need them to be exploited. They are using them, and that is all they are doing, using them as an issue, so they can bolster their voter enrollment and keep their influence extended over society.

    The bishops in the United States, who have a similar motive to shore up their imploding numbers on the parish level, are playing this game too. If you were to remove the number of Catholic immigrant Hispanics, huge numbers of whom are illegal, the percentage of the overall Catholic population in the U.S. would drop from approximately 23 percent to a dismal 15 percent.

    As the political socialists have eaten their young by not biologically reproducing, the Catholic socialists have also eaten their young by not spiritually reproducing. The bishops and the Democrats have found common cause on the issue of illegal immigration, and it's all about numbers.
    http://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/vortex-the-illegal-truth?mc_cid=6593278d8f&mc_eid=0316fa0593
  2. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    01 Apr '17 14:05
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    TRANSCRIPT

    Everything you hear from the supporters of illegal immigration is a lie, especially the big lie that they are motivated by the suffering and so forth of what they term the "undocumented." First off the term "undocumented." That's nothing but a purely politically correct euphemism to mask over the truth. They are "undocumented" because they ...[text shortened]... ww.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/vortex-the-illegal-truth?mc_cid=6593278d8f&mc_eid=0316fa0593
    Unfortunately, we let the conversation devolve to a demonization of people taking people's jobs instead of what it should be, what it needs to be: people here illegally have no protection, are voiceless, are invisible, are helpless slaves.
  3. Standard member checkbaiter
    By God's Grace
    01 Apr '17 15:30
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Unfortunately, we let the conversation devolve to a demonization of people taking people's jobs instead of what it should be, what it needs to be: people here illegally have no protection, are voiceless, are invisible, are helpless slaves.
    I'm afraid for the grand children
  4. 01 Apr '17 15:54
    Who are supporters of illegal immigration?
  5. 01 Apr '17 16:11
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Who are supporters of illegal immigration?
    The more interesting question, is could you ever know?

    Everything you hear from the supporters of illegal immigration is a lie


    What question(s) must you ask them to successfully confirm that they are a supporter?
  6. Standard member checkbaiter
    By God's Grace
    01 Apr '17 19:05
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Who are supporters of illegal immigration?
    You and the rest of the left wing nuts.
  7. 01 Apr '17 21:03
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    You and the rest of the left wing nuts.
    I'm neither "left wing" nor a supporter of illegal immigration.
  8. 01 Apr '17 21:11
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    I'm neither "left wing" nor a supporter of illegal immigration.
    you are pretty whacked out though
  9. 01 Apr '17 21:27
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    you are pretty whacked out though
    Indeed, nothing quite as whacked out as - unlike you - opposing Dutch neo-Nazis.
  10. 01 Apr '17 21:47
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Indeed, nothing quite as whacked out as - unlike you - opposing Dutch neo-Nazis.
    Its an occupational hazard for anyone who is prepared to challenge the mainstream narrative. You must be prepared to be labelled a rape apologist, a misogynist, a homophobe, a neo-Nazi sympathiser, a racist, a bigot, a holocaust denier, an anti-Semite and various other vacuous epithets.
  11. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    01 Apr '17 23:13 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Who are supporters of illegal immigration?

    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    You and the rest of the left wing nuts.
    "When I was 21, my friend Bob and I used to smoke a little weed for lunch. One day, walking back in the building and down the aisle, he spotted the boss looking at him. In his mind, he imagined the boss seeing his red eyes and he started to panic. He quickly reassured himself that he was being paranoid and thought, maybe he will just say "Hi Bob, How are you?"
    We continued to walk by, and Bob said "not bad, how you doing?" and kept walking. The boss had never said a word, it was my friend's paranoia responding.
    I think some Libs like Suzy are like that..... they read and imagine this is how Conservatives think."
    -- checkbaiter, in the "Stupid to work" thread

    Oh, the irony.

    And, while I'm at it, it applies to the OP as well. Only an agenda-driven site with an axe to grind. And this is a Catholic site, which calls other Catholics following the teachings of Christ "socialists".
  12. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    01 Apr '17 23:15
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Its an occupational hazard for anyone who is prepared to challenge the mainstream narrative. You must be prepared to be labelled a rape apologist, a misogynist, a homophobe, a neo-Nazi sympathiser, a racist, a bigot, a holocaust denier, an anti-Semite and various other vacuous epithets.
    Which is worse, actually being those things, or being called those things when you're not?

    I'm gonna take a stab here and say the first one.
  13. 01 Apr '17 23:24 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Which is worse, actually [b]being those things, or being called those things when you're not?

    I'm gonna take a stab here and say the first one.[/b]
    The point is Princess Snowflake, they are on the whole terms used on the internet and elsewhere that in many cases are quite empty. Whats worse vacuous reasoning or labeling people to compensate for lack of content?
  14. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    01 Apr '17 23:26 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    The point is Princess Snowflake, they are on the whole terms used on the internet and elsewhere that in many cases are quite empty. Whats worse vacuous reasoning or labeling people to compensate for lack of content?
    Try this "content".

    Do you deny these labels? Are you actually saying that they do not accurately describe you?

    You never know when to just "let it go".
  15. 02 Apr '17 02:20 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Try this "content".

    Do you deny these labels? Are you actually saying that they do not accurately describe you?

    You never know when to just "let it go".
    That depends, who is doing the labeling?

    You? Then of course you believe the labels are true.

    But then, we know what kind of hater you are. A bigot like you can't see things as they are.