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    31 Dec '16 21:27
    Originally posted by Ashiitaka
    Suzianne, mchill is saying this because Hillary will never be elected and to prevent another trump she needs leave the political scene.
    Democrats asked for this by making Hillary their candidate when she was so unpopular. They deserved a wake up call not to take people's support for granted.
  2. Zugzwang
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    31 Dec '16 22:09
    Originally posted by mchill
    It seems Hillary Clinton just can't take a hint. After 2 failed attempts to become President, Hillary is still making speeches, still organizing what's left of her circle of influence, and other "administrative things" trying to stay in the public eye. Someone needs to get in this lady's face and scream "The American People Have Spoken, Please Leave!" Just fo ...[text shortened]... not helping herself or her party by hanging around. Hillary, don't go away mad, just go away!😞
    'Get thee to a nunnery!'
    --Hamlet to Ophelia in Shakespeare's 'Hamlet'
  3. Zugzwang
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    31 Dec '16 22:381 edit
    Originally posted by Ashiitaka
    Democrats asked for this by making Hillary their candidate when she was so unpopular.
    They deserved a wake up call not to take people's support for granted.
    Ash's loathing of Hillary Clinton seems to have led him to swallow an absurd belief about her alleged unpopularity.

    "...making Hillary (Clinton) their candidate when she was so unpopular."
    --Ash

    Nonsense. In the Democratic primaries, many more people voted for Hillary Clinton than for Bernie Sanders.
    What would Ash like to do? Set up an electoral college in order to deny the majority
    of Democratic primary voters their choice of a presidential nominee?

    In fact, the voters showed that Hillary Clinton was more popular than Bernie Sanders
    and more popular than Donald Trump.
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    01 Jan '17 01:23
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Ash's loathing of Hillary Clinton seems to have led him to swallow an absurd belief about her alleged unpopularity.

    "...making Hillary (Clinton) their candidate when she was so unpopular."
    --Ash

    Nonsense. In the Democratic primaries, many more people voted for Hillary Clinton than for Bernie Sanders.
    What would Ash like to do? Set up an electora ...[text shortened]... that Hillary Clinton was more popular than Bernie Sanders
    and more popular than Donald Trump.
    Amongst illegal immigrats and dead people, she was--- by far--- the slam dunk candidate.
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    02 Jan '17 18:37
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Ash's loathing of Hillary Clinton seems to have led him to swallow an absurd belief about her alleged unpopularity.

    "...making Hillary (Clinton) their candidate when she was so unpopular."
    --Ash

    Nonsense. In the Democratic primaries, many more people voted for Hillary Clinton than for Bernie Sanders.
    What would Ash like to do? Set up an electora ...[text shortened]... that Hillary Clinton was more popular than Bernie Sanders
    and more popular than Donald Trump.
    Did you miss the part that the dnc rigged it against him?
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    02 Jan '17 18:39
    To lose to Donald Trump the American people must really hate you. Call that what you will, but I think that means unpopular.
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    02 Jan '17 22:262 edits
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Why don't you just save time and stop bitching about it and go register Republican already.
    Funny how the people have spoken and given her 2 million more votes than that TRUE assshole Trumpf. Hope you are happy with the prospect of a narcissistic sociopath for a president. Yes, he will make things SO much better.

    In bed with Putin, close the gates on Cuba, put up a thousand mile long wall, start a trade war with several very large GDP countries. Way to go.

    Mark my word, talk about bad presidents. He isn't even in office yet and he is already a bad president. He will prove to be THE worse president in American history and that is saying a lot, putting him besides Andrew Jackson. Buchanan, Harding, now those dudes were SPECIAL bad and Trumpf is going to make them look like angels.
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    02 Jan '17 22:34
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Ash's loathing of Hillary Clinton seems to have led him to swallow an absurd belief about her alleged unpopularity.

    "...making Hillary (Clinton) their candidate when she was so unpopular."
    --Ash

    Nonsense. In the Democratic primaries, many more people voted for Hillary Clinton than for Bernie Sanders.
    What would Ash like to do? Set up an electora ...[text shortened]... that Hillary Clinton was more popular than Bernie Sanders
    and more popular than Donald Trump.
    It's true Democratic voters in the primaries preferred Hillary, but that does not mean she would have been a stronger candidate in the General Election. Polling at the time consistently showed Bernie doing considerably better than HRC against any Republican candidate including Trump largely because he fared much better among self-described independents.
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    02 Jan '17 23:281 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    It's true Democratic voters in the primaries preferred Hillary, but that does not mean she would have been a stronger candidate in the General Election. Polling at the time consistently showed Bernie doing considerably better than HRC against any Republican candidate including Trump largely because he fared much better among self-described independents.
    Especially in the electoral college...

    Hillary may have done better in Democratic establishment states like NY and CA than Bernie would have (which Bernie would have won anyway, but probably by a smaller margin), but Bernie was much stronger among the key Trump demographic (white working class voters who voted for Trump based on his message of protectionism).

    Clinton did win the PA primary, but she did so by loading up in Philly and Pittsburgh, who vote for Dems anyway in the general. Bernie likely would have kept Trump's margins in rural areas down, which is where HRC really got killed. (Note also, that Bernie won primaries in Wisconsin and Michigan).

    in fact, the Hillary coalition was almost incredibly badly situated for the EC. She won the popular vote by 2.1% and lost the tipping point state (PA) by 1.0%. this means she was at a disadvantage of 3.1% in the electoral college. That appears to be the the worst EC disadvantage since 1936 and the second largest EC disadvantage in a competitive election in history (behind only 1876).
    http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=176237.0
  10. Zugzwang
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    04 Jan '17 02:202 edits
    Originally posted by Ashiitaka
    Did you miss the part that the dnc rigged it against him?
    That's irrelevant to Ash's absurd claim that Hillary Clinton was less popular (much less
    popular, he implies) than Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primaries.

    I have no doubt that the Democratic Party establishment favored Hillary Clinton for several reasons.
    One was that Hillary Clinton had been a loyal member of the Democratic Party for much
    much longer than Bernie Sanders, who had decided that he could not run as an independent
    for President. But unless Ash can cite proof that the Democratic Party somehow could
    commit voter fraud on a massive scale, the fact remains that many more people voted
    for Hillary Clinton than for Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primaries. Consumed by
    his apparent hatred of Hillary Clinton, however, Ash seems eager to find any way to deny the
    majority of voters their choice for a presidential nominee while pretending that he approves of democracy.

    In fact, Hillary Clinton was more popular than Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.
    The only remaining question is the extent to which the arrogant Ash will keep lying
    in order to deny a reality that does not suit his fierce prejudices.
  11. Zugzwang
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    04 Jan '17 02:28
    Originally posted by Ashiitaka
    To lose to Donald Trump the American people must really hate you. Call that what you will, but I think that means unpopular.
    Does Ash believe that the American people really hate all of the many diverse Republican
    candidates who lost to Donald Trump as much as he wants to believe that they hate Hillary Clinton?

    As I recall in an earlier thread, another anti-Hillary troll claimed that popularity never
    should be measured by counting votes, so Hillary Clinton always should be considered
    extremely unpopular even if almost everyone had voted for her.

    I note that Ash's fierce prejudices seem to prevent him from being able to count.
    Have his mathematics teachers noticed that?
  12. Zugzwang
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    04 Jan '17 02:301 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    It's true Democratic voters in the primaries preferred Hillary, but that does not mean she would have been a stronger candidate in the General Election. Polling at the time consistently showed Bernie doing considerably better than HRC against any Republican candidate including Trump largely because he fared much better among self-described independents.
    'Apples and oranges'. No1Marauder chooses to bring up a different issue than what Ash did.

    Ash implied that Hillary Clinton was less popular than Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.
    My post addressed that absurdity, *not* the different issue of whether, in hindsight,
    Bernie Sanders would have been a more successful Democratic nominee than Hillary Clinton.
  13. Zugzwang
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    04 Jan '17 02:34
    Just out of curiosity, how would some people here prefer to have rigged the Democratic
    Party nomination process so that Hillary Clinton would have been denied the nomination
    even though many more people voted for her than for Bernie Sanders?

    By the way, I endorsed Bernie Sanders rather than Hillary Clinton.
  14. Subscriberno1marauder
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    04 Jan '17 03:28
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    'Apples and oranges'. No1Marauder chooses to bring up a different issue than what Ash did.

    Ash implied that Hillary Clinton was less popular than Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.
    My post addressed that absurdity, *not* the different issue of whether, in hindsight,
    Bernie Sanders would have been a more successful Democratic nominee than Hillary Clinton.
    Pretty much every poll I ever saw on the matter said that Hillary was less popular than Bernie. There are more people than those who vote in the Democratic primaries and my point was that Bernie was much more popular among independents than HRC. That considerably outweighed Hillary's rather narrow preference over Bernie among Democrats.
  15. Zugzwang
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    04 Jan '17 03:372 edits
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Pretty much every poll I ever saw on the matter said that Hillary was less popular than Bernie. There are more people than those who vote in the Democratic primaries and my point was that Bernie was much more popular among independents than HRC. That considerably outweighed Hillary's rather narrow preference over Bernie among Democrats.
    In the 2016 Democratic primaries, Hillary Clinton got 55.2% and Bernie Sanders 43.1% of the votes.
    Hillary Clinton received more than 3.7 million more votes than Bernie Sanders.
    And No1Marauder describes that as a 'rather narrow' margin.

    Does No1Marauder believe a minority of Democratic primary voters should have their
    preference ahead of the majority's when that preference agrees with No1Marauder's?
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