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  1. Standard member vivify
    rain
    19 Feb '17 21:03
    https://amp.businessinsider.com/trump-cited-a-nonexistent-incident-in-sweden-during-his-rally-on-saturday-2017-2

    President Donald Trump cited a nonexistent incident in Sweden while talking about the relationship between terror attacks and refugees around the world during a rally in Melbourne, Florida, on Saturday.

    "You look at what's happening in Germany. You look at what's happening last night in Sweden ... Sweden ... who would believe this? Sweden, they took in large numbers, they are having problems like they never thought possible. You look at what's happening Brussels, you look at what's happening all over the world," Trump said.

    No incident occurred in Sweden on Friday night.

    However, Fox News host Tucker Carlson ran an interview on Friday night's broadcast of "Tucker Carlson Tonight" with documentarian and media personality Ami Horowitz, who presented a clip from a new film documenting alleged violence committed by refugees in Sweden. The segment went on extensively about a supposed crime surge in Sweden and its links to immigrant populations.

    Crime rates in Sweden have stayed relatively stable, with some fluctuations, over the last decade, according to the 2016 Swedish Crime Survey.

    This isn't the first time that there has been a correlation between Trump's statements and programming on cable news, of which he is a noted fan.
  2. 19 Feb '17 22:31
    Originally posted by vivify
    https://amp.businessinsider.com/trump-cited-a-nonexistent-incident-in-sweden-during-his-rally-on-saturday-2017-2

    President Donald Trump cited a nonexistent incident in Sweden while talking about the relationship between terror attacks and refugees around the world during a rally in Melbourne, Florida, on Saturday.

    "You look at what's happening in German ...[text shortened]... orrelation between Trump's statements and programming on cable news, of which he is a noted fan.
    He may be making reference to the spike in rape since allowing in Muslims.

    Officially the Swedish government refuses to admit the problem. To say that Muslims have caused problems would be racist. The problem is men.
  3. 19 Feb '17 22:39 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Eladar to Vivify
    He may be making reference to the spike in rape since allowing in Muslims.
    Officially the Swedish government refuses to admit the problem.
    To say that Muslims have caused problems would be racist. The problem is men.
    "A couple goes out and gets drunk. She passes out and the boyfriend has sex with her anyhow.
    Sounds like something that might happen and most people would not consider rape."
    --Eladar

    The rape apologist Eladar objects much more to rape when it's allegedly committed by Muslims.
    Given the known written evidence of his attitude toward rape, does Eladar believe that
    Sweden's government should ignore it if considering whether to allow him to immigrate?
  4. 19 Feb '17 22:43
    https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2017/01/26/3-men-gang-rape-young-woman-in-sweden-broadcast-it-live-on-facebook/


    Actually, you make my point. You attempt to trivialize rape so that this kind of rape is meaningless. Who cares about rape? All sex is rape.
  5. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    19 Feb '17 23:59
    Originally posted by Eladar
    [b Who cares about rape? All sex is rape.[/b]
    Your personal experience should not jaundice your view on consensual sex.
  6. 20 Feb '17 00:01
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Your personal experience should not jaundice your view on consensual sex.
    Consentual means you must ask first. If you don't ask first, then it is rape just as the young lady in the link was raped.
  7. Standard member vivify
    rain
    20 Feb '17 00:34 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Consentual means you must ask first. If you don't ask first, then it is rape just as the young lady in the link was raped.
    That's not necessarily true. Most couples don't formally agree prior to having sex; it usually starts with affection (kissing, making out, touching) that turns into sex. "Consent", then, usually isn't whether or not someone was asked, but whether or not they turned down an advance (assuming, of course, they were legally able to give consent), and whether or not they were felt they could do so without fear of repercussion.

    Of course, context is important as well. An advance during a date is obviously different from an advance by a complete stranger or a co-worker during your shift. Those situations could be considered harassment and/or sexual assault.
  8. 20 Feb '17 00:40
    Sweden apparently has a broader definition than nearly all other societies of rape.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

    "The legal definition of rape in Sweden is described in chapter 6 in the Swedish Penal
    Code.[1] Historically, rape has been defined as forced sexual intercourse initiated
    against a woman or man by one or several people, without her/his consent.[2] In recent
    years, several revisions to the definition of rape have been made in Swedish law,[3] to
    now not only include intercourse, but comparable sexual acts initiated against someone
    passive—incapable of giving consent—because they are in a vulnerable situation, such
    as a state of fear or unconsciousness."

    "There have been several international comparisons made, placing Sweden at the top
    end of the number of reported rapes. However, police procedures and legal definitions
    vary widely across countries, which makes it difficult to compare rape statistics.[8][9][10]
    [11] For example, Sweden reformed its sex crime legislation and made the legal
    definition of rape much wider in 2005,[3][4][8][12] which largely explains a significant
    increase in the number of reported rapes in the ten-year period of 2004-2013.[13][14]
    The Swedish police also record each instance of sexual violence in every case
    separately, leading to an inflated number of cases compared to other countries.[8][11]
    [15] Additionally, the Swedish police have improved the handling of rape cases, in an
    effort to increase the number of crimes reported.[8][14][16][17] Raised awareness and a
    shifting attitude of sexual crimes in Sweden,[note 1][18] which has been ranked as the
    number one country in gender equality,[19] may also explain the relatively high rates of
    reported rape."
  9. 20 Feb '17 00:41
    Originally posted by vivify
    That's not necessarily true. Most couples don't formally agree prior to having sex; it usually starts with affection (kissing, making out, touching) that turns into sex. "Consent", then, isn't usually whether or not someone was asked, but whether or not they turned down an advance (assuming, of course, they were legally able to give consent), and whether or ...[text shortened]... orker during your shift. Those situations could be considered harassment and/or sexual assault.
    Actually requiring verbal consent is required in some countries. If a guy does not ask the woman can come back and claim she felt forced.
  10. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    20 Feb '17 00:42
    Originally posted by Eladar
    He may be making reference to the spike in rape since allowing in Muslims.

    Officially the Swedish government refuses to admit the problem. To say that Muslims have caused problems would be racist. The problem is men.
    Eladar the sleuth rides along with Eladar the philosopher to convert us all to the one true Christian faith of which he is such a convincing missionary.
  11. 20 Feb '17 00:43
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Sweden apparently has a broader definition than nearly all other societies of rape.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

    "The legal definition of rape in Sweden is described in chapter 6 in the Swedish Penal
    Code.[1] Historically, rape has been defined as forced sexual intercourse initiated
    against a woman or man by one or several people, ...[text shortened]... country in gender equality,[19] may also explain the relatively high rates of
    reported rape."
    Which means forced sex as in the link gets clouded by all the other definitions.
  12. 20 Feb '17 00:45
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Eladar the sleuth rides along with Eladar the philosopher to convert us all to the one true Christian faith of which he is such a convincing missionary.
    I couldn't care less if you or anyone else becomes a Christian. Your life was given by God and your relationship with Him is your business not mine. Burn in hell or not, makes no difference to me.
  13. Standard member vivify
    rain
    20 Feb '17 01:21
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Actually requiring verbal consent is required in some countries. If a guy does not ask the woman can come back and claim she felt forced.
    In the U.S., this goes against what many women consider "romantic". In the movies, a kiss arises out of a "spark" or chemistry between the characters. This is what many women want to experience. Many women feel asking would take the "magic" out of the moment.

    Take this article from eHarmony, one of the biggest dating websites in the world:

    http://www.eharmony.com/dating-advice/dating/how-to-tell-if-she-wants-a-kiss/

    "A completely personal preference for women is whether they expect to be asked for permission to be kissed. To be on the safe side, you may be better off asking if you aren’t sure. It will be received as a sign that either you’re a respectful gentleman or you’re a wuss. Keep in mind that we’re talking about a simple display of affection. All you’re going to do is kiss her, and the sexiest way to do this is to be spontaneous. This means that if you want her to get excited, you’re going to have to kiss her without asking for permission."
  14. 20 Feb '17 01:59
    Originally posted by vivify
    In the U.S., this goes against what many women consider "romantic". In the movies, a kiss arises out of a "spark" or chemistry between the characters. This is what many women want to experience. Many women feel asking would take the "magic" out of the moment.

    Take this article from eHarmony, one of the biggest dating websites in the world:

    http://www ...[text shortened]... if you want her to get excited, you’re going to have to kiss her without asking for permission."
    Sexist eharmony trolls are telling men it is ok to sexually exploit women and it is acceptable to rape women.
  15. 20 Feb '17 02:02 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by vivify to Eladar
    In the U.S., this goes against what many women consider "romantic". In the movies, a kiss arises out of a "spark" or chemistry between the characters. This is what many women want to experience. Many women feel asking would take the "magic" out of the moment.

    Take this article from eHarmony, one of the biggest dating websites in the world:

    ...[text shortened]... if you want her to get excited, you’re going to have to kiss her without asking for permission."
    "You kiss by the book."
    --Juliet (to Romeo, in Shakespeare's 'Romeo and Juliet' )

    "...if you want her to get excited, you’re going to have to kiss her without asking for permission."

    How has the date been going? Does he want to kiss her before she's ready for it?
    Sometimes when a date has been going badly (no chemistry), a man hopes that he can
    'save' it by speeding up the action physically. He fantasizes that if he can get her into
    his arms and start kissing her, her hormones will take over at once and all will be fine.
    That's usually a forlorn hope.

    There's a common Hollywood romantic scene where a man and a woman have been arguing.
    Then he suddenly kisses her, she effortlessly melts into his arms, the couple develops an
    instant attraction, and (depending on the film's rating) they may wind up together in bed.
    But real life rarely imitates cinematic dreams.