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    09 Dec '15 11:16
    In wake of the media demonizing Trump and England even talking about banning him from the country, something seems odd.






    It is just crazy to see so many attacking Trump, while countries around the world are closing their borders, or paying the refugee's to leave their country.
    Trump is not that far off with what other Countries are concerned about.


    Norway 'paying' asylum seekers to return home as refugee crisis continues
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  2. Cape Town
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    09 Dec '15 11:442 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    It is just crazy to see so many attacking Trump, while countries around the world are closing their borders, or paying the refugee's to leave their country.
    Trump is not that far off with what other Countries are concerned about.
    Yes, the concerns are very similar, its how you go about expressing those concerns that makes Trump seem worse.

    For the record though, the way countries are behaving with respect to refugees is actually worse than Trumps behaviour because Trump is just talking hot air for political reasons whereas countries are actually taking action. If Trump were to actually be in a position of power then it would be another question altogether.

    Also, two wrongs don't make a right. Just because you can find other bad guys doesn't in any way shape or form make Trumps morally better than before you found them.
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    09 Dec '15 11:54
    Originally posted by whodey
    In wake of the media demonizing Trump and England even talking about banning him from the country, something seems odd.






    It is just crazy to see so many attacking Trump, while countries around the world are closing their borders, or paying the refugee's to leave their country.
    Trump is not that far off with what other Countries are concerned ab ...[text shortened]... ily, appears to be a surprising
    European migrant crisis: Why Germany reinstated border controls
    The NWO hates him for actually vocalizing the real issues truthfully.
  4. Subscribersonhouse
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    09 Dec '15 12:02
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    The NWO hates him for actually vocalizing the real issues truthfully.
    I think you and I both know he cares less about the issues, only spouts what he thinks will gain him votes. If for some crazy scheme of things he is actually elected president, he would not have the political power as president to do the things he says so like the guy said, it is just hot air to gain votes.
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    09 Dec '15 12:06
    Originally posted by whodey
    In wake of the media demonizing Trump and England even talking about banning him from the country, something seems odd.






    It is just crazy to see so many attacking Trump, while countries around the world are closing their borders, or paying the refugee's to leave their country.
    Trump is not that far off with what other Countries are concerned ab ...[text shortened]... ily, appears to be a surprising
    European migrant crisis: Why Germany reinstated border controls
    He lied about the situation in the UK. He is not fit to be a Head of State or even a town mayor. His statements about Muslims fall straight into the insurgent agenda of polarising the world into Muslim and non-Muslim. Even Jeb Bush thinks he went too far.
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    09 Dec '15 12:06
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    I think you and I both know he cares less about the issues, only spouts what he thinks will gain him votes. If for some crazy scheme of things he is actually elected president, he would not have the political power as president to do the things he says so like the guy said, it is just hot air to gain votes.
    I think you are probably right with him, but they don't like him for airing the dirty laundry. We will see though.
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    09 Dec '15 12:392 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    In wake of the media demonizing Trump and England even talking about banning him from the country, something seems odd.






    It is just crazy to see so many attacking Trump, while countries around the world are closing their borders, or paying the refugee's to leave their country.
    Trump is not that far off with what other Countries are concerned ab ...[text shortened]... ily, appears to be a surprising
    European migrant crisis: Why Germany reinstated border controls
    It's not just the media Whodey, much of the "demonizing" is coming from members of his own political party. Last I checked, all the other GOP candidates came out against him on this muslim ban idea. Even Dick Cheney thought it was a dumb idea. I know the media is a convenient villain, but many times the media is only reporting what others are saying.
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    09 Dec '15 13:10
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    The NWO hates him for actually vocalizing the real issues truthfully.
    The reason he is most recently 'the bad guy' is not for 'vocalizing the real issues truthfully' but for suggesting that all Muslims be barred from entering the US. There is nothing 'truthful' about that. It is just plain bigoted hate speech. Although I support his right to freedom of speech I feel that anyone who supports him for airing such views is despicable.
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    09 Dec '15 17:48
    The rise of Trump is interesting because before the 2016 campaign, the racist vote was courted more subtly (under the Southern strategy and before that during the KKK's influence with the Democrats). Trump, however, is making explicitly racist statements without beating around the bush, and his scumbag and lunatic supporters don't seem to mind. With scumbags and lunatics (fortunately) in the minority, this strategy is destined to fail in the general elections, so Republicans are rightly worried about the damage Trump will do to their image and their chances of winning the presidency with a less moronic candidate.
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    09 Dec '15 18:151 edit
    Was President Carter a bad guy ?

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261062/carter-banned-iranians-coming-us-during-hostage-daniel-greenfield
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    09 Dec '15 19:25
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Yes, the concerns are very similar, its how you go about expressing those concerns that makes Trump seem worse.

    For the record though, the way countries are behaving with respect to refugees is actually worse than Trumps behaviour because Trump is just talking hot air for political reasons whereas countries are actually taking action. If Trump were to ...[text shortened]... bad guys doesn't in any way shape or form make Trumps morally better than before you found them.
    "Yes, the concerns are very similar, its how you go about expressing those concerns that makes Trump seem worse. "

    But it matters. The way Trump expressed it, if American Muslims leave the US, say, to visit relatives in India, they won't be allowed to return.
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    09 Dec '15 19:27
    Originally posted by JS357
    "Yes, the concerns are very similar, its how you go about expressing those concerns that makes Trump seem worse. "

    But it matters. The way Trump expressed it, if American Muslims leave the US, say, to visit relatives in India, they won't be allowed to return.
    I would vote for that if they also banned Christians from the US also. Let the Amerinds have it.
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    09 Dec '15 23:35
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    He lied about the situation in the UK. He is not fit to be a Head of State or even a town mayor. His statements about Muslims fall straight into the insurgent agenda of polarising the world into Muslim and non-Muslim. Even Jeb Bush thinks he went too far.
    Jeb Bush?

    Who is he?
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    09 Dec '15 23:36
    Originally posted by JS357
    "Yes, the concerns are very similar, its how you go about expressing those concerns that makes Trump seem worse. "

    But it matters. The way Trump expressed it, if American Muslims leave the US, say, to visit relatives in India, they won't be allowed to return.
    Hogwash.

    What you are seeing is the power and hypocrisy of the media around the world destroying a man that is no worse than any in these various European countries.
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    09 Dec '15 23:45
    Originally posted by whodey
    Hogwash.

    What you are seeing is the power and hypocrisy of the media around the world destroying a man that is no worse than any in these various European countries.
    BS.

    Not a single one of those countries have proposed what Trump did i.e. keeping ANY Muslim from ANY part of the world out of their country even as a tourist.
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