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  1. Zugzwang
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    25 Sep '18 19:17
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/25/ex-un-chief-ban-kioon-says-us-healthcare-system-is-morally-wrong

    "Ex-UN chief Ban Ki-moon says US healthcare system is 'morally wrong'
    Former UN secretary general accuses ‘powerful’ health interests in the
    US of blocking universal healthcare."

    "The US has the world’s most expensive health system, accounting for
    nearly one-fifth of American gross domestic product and costing more than
    $10,348 per American. The United Kingdom, by comparison, spends a
    little under 10% of GDP according to the latest available statistics, and
    healthcare is free at the point of delivery.

    “It’s not easy to understand why such a country like the United States,
    the most resourceful and richest country in the world, does not introduce
    universal health coverage,” said Ban. “Nobody would understand why
    almost 30 million people are not covered by insurance.”

    Failing to provide health coverage, he said, was “unethical” and “politically
    wrong, morally wrong”. He accused the “powerful” interests of pharmaceutical
    companies, hospitals and doctors that “inhibit the American government”
    of having prevented the US from moving towards universal healthcare."

    "Despite astronomical spending on health, millions in the US live entirely
    outside the health system, uninsured and unable to go to the doctor without
    incurring hundreds or thousands in debt."
  2. SubscriberWajoma
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    25 Sep '18 20:29
    Expensive = bad
    Cheap = good.

    Cheapest = unregulated, entirely private.
  3. Zugzwang
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    25 Sep '18 20:38
    Originally posted by @wajoma
    Expensive = bad
    Cheap = good.
    Cheapest = unregulated, entirely private.
    The cheapest health care system, which Wajoma (if logical) would regard as the best, is NO health care.
  4. Subscribersonhouse
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    25 Sep '18 20:44
    Originally posted by @wajoma
    Expensive = bad
    Cheap = good.

    Cheapest = unregulated, entirely private.
    Healthcare controlled by big pharma=BAD no matter how you shake it. They have zero motivation to make drugs cost as little as possible and still make profit, but not even close, charge the bastards 10 times what it cost's to make and if they bitch, make it 15X.

    The opiod crisis is a case in point, big Pharm CAUSED the crisis by using snake oil salesmen to give samples to doctors telling them they were the best thing since straw hats, so the doctors did that, start writing script then big Pharm starts pushing more and more opiods and the docs respond by writing more and more script and then the bogus
    "pharmacies'' show up, like in towns of a thousand people, coupled with fake doctors right next door writing script so you go right next door to the fake pharmacy and pick up 3 month supply and the town gets flooded with enough for 100,000 people, not a coincidence.
    That is just the latest scam going on by big Pharm. A sick cynical system.

    Another cynical system is the prescription drug plans governed by medicare.
    It has hit us personally. Every year for the past 5 years we have gone into the 'donut hole' where you previously paid say 10 or 20 bucks for meds but once into the donut hole the price quadruples so now it is 50 to 100 bucks for that med but in our case it is not just 100 bucks it's more like 500 bucks AND the past 4 years that usually happened in October so we had to pay through the nose for 3 months before the new year starts and back to normal med prices.

    With the increases in drug prices, and no response by medicare, that donut hole affair now happens to us in July. So now 6 months of being ripped off even though we are paying full price still for the prescription drug plan, we get screwed TWICE.

    So think twice before you you post your glib blithe comments. People are hurting including me and my wife. I am healthy, don't take anything but wife is not and has a lot of meds and we are right now paying through the nose even though we have insurance up the ass.
  5. SubscriberSuzianne
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    25 Sep '18 20:46
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/25/ex-un-chief-ban-kioon-says-us-healthcare-system-is-morally-wrong

    "Ex-UN chief Ban Ki-moon says US healthcare system is 'morally wrong'
    Former UN secretary general accuses ‘powerful’ health interests in the
    US of blocking universal healthcare."

    "The US has the world’s most expensive health system, a ...[text shortened]... tem, uninsured and unable to go to the doctor without
    incurring hundreds or thousands in debt."
    And, it should be mentioned, this is why there is no cure for cancer yet.

    Polio was almost wiped out in a generation, yet cancer is still a leading cause of death, but before it eventually claims us, it's also the largest healthcare dollar expenditure, at least in America. So it keeps killing us at alarming rates, because a lot of people are making a lot of money on it.
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    25 Sep '18 20:54
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    And, it should be mentioned, this is why there is no cure for cancer yet.

    Polio was almost wiped out in a generation, yet cancer is still a leading cause of death, but before it eventually claims us, it's also the largest healthcare dollar expenditure, at least in America. So it keeps killing us at alarming rates, because a lot of people are making a lot of money on it.
    This might be the most ridiculous conspiracy theory I have ever read.
  7. Subscribersonhouse
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    25 Sep '18 20:55
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    And, it should be mentioned, this is why there is no cure for cancer yet.

    Polio was almost wiped out in a generation, yet cancer is still a leading cause of death, but before it eventually claims us, it's also the largest healthcare dollar expenditure, at least in America. So it keeps killing us at alarming rates, because a lot of people are making a lot of money on it.
    It's also a population control issue. If we kept those people alive, there would be more and more cost to the public coffers and they can't have that so it is in the county's best interest to keep 'em dying as much as possible. Tobacco used to have that function but now that only 20 odd % smoke in the US they have to use something else. Cancer fits the bill nicely.
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    25 Sep '18 20:57
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    It's also a population control issue. If we kept those people alive, there would be more and more cost to the public coffers and they can't have that so it is in the county's best interest to keep 'em dying as much as possible. Tobacco used to have that function but now that only 20 odd % smoke in the US they have to use something else. Cancer fits the bill nicely.
    Is this also why we have insufficient gun control?
  9. SubscriberSuzianne
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    25 Sep '18 21:31
    Originally posted by @quackquack
    Is this also why we have insufficient gun control?
    Only morons equate cancer treatment with gun control.

    The only commonality is that we don't do enough about either.
  10. SubscriberSuzianne
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    25 Sep '18 21:40
    Originally posted by @quackquack
    This might be the most ridiculous conspiracy theory I have ever read.
    I would never have guessed that the right-wing doesn't believe in Big Pharma.
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    25 Sep '18 21:573 edits
    Originally posted by @quackquack
    This might be the most ridiculous conspiracy theory I have ever read.
    I once sat in a large lecture hall and listened to a big pharma ceo say we as a company should be thankful there is so much chronic pain and suffering in the world.

    There is no need for a conspiracy. Set up the rewards and punishments and the players will compete like rats looking for the best and worst levers to push and avoid pushing. It’s the system.

    Thus, the system rewards drugs and treatments that do not cure, but only “treat”diseases. Remedies that actually cure are rare and expensive, out of reach of all but the rich or well-covered, like our US congress.

    The industry pays lobbyists and influences congress to keep the system going. But no, it is not a conspiracy, it is openly setting the rewards and punishments around chronic medication and treatment, and letting the game proceed.
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    25 Sep '18 23:03
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    It's also a population control issue. If we kept those people alive, there would be more and more cost to the public coffers and they can't have that so it is in the county's best interest to keep 'em dying as much as possible. Tobacco used to have that function but now that only 20 odd % smoke in the US they have to use something else. Cancer fits the bill nicely.
    damn...WTF? is wrong with you?
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    25 Sep '18 23:04
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/25/ex-un-chief-ban-kioon-says-us-healthcare-system-is-morally-wrong

    "Ex-UN chief Ban Ki-moon says US healthcare system is 'morally wrong'
    Former UN secretary general accuses ‘powerful’ health interests in the
    US of blocking universal healthcare."

    "The US has the world’s most expensive health system, a ...[text shortened]... tem, uninsured and unable to go to the doctor without
    incurring hundreds or thousands in debt."
    meanwhile ebola consuming africa
  14. Subscribersonhouse
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    25 Sep '18 23:51
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    meanwhile ebola consuming africa
    Yep, population control in action.
  15. Behind the scenes
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    26 Sep '18 01:13
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    And, it should be mentioned, this is why there is no cure for cancer yet.

    Polio was almost wiped out in a generation, yet cancer is still a leading cause of death, but before it eventually claims us, it's also the largest healthcare dollar expenditure, at least in America. So it keeps killing us at alarming rates, because a lot of people are making a lot of money on it.
    This is a classic example of what happens when one's health becomes a resource that companies can profit off of.
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