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  1. Standard member vivify
    rain
    16 Mar '17 04:32
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-usa-aircraft-carrier-north-idUSKBN16L0BD

    As the USS Carl Vinson plowed through seas off South Korea on Tuesday, rival North Korea warned the United States of "merciless" attacks if the carrier infringes on its sovereignty or dignity during U.S.-South Korean drills.

    F-18 fighter jets took off from the flight deck of the nuclear-powered carrier in a dramatic display of U.S. firepower amid rising tension with the North, which has alarmed its neighbors with two nuclear tests and a series of missile launches since last year.

    "While this is a routine deployment for the Carl Vinson strike group, really the centerpiece for us ... is this exercise we're doing with the ROK navy called 'Foal Eagle'," Rear Admiral James W. Kilby, commander of the Carrier Strike Group 1, told reporters, referring to South Korea as the Republic of Korea.

    North Korea said the arrival of the U.S. strike group in the seas off the east of the Korean peninsula was part of a "reckless scheme" to attack it.

    "If they infringe on the DPRK's sovereignty and dignity even a bit, its army will launch merciless ultra-precision strikes from ground, air, sea and underwater," the North's state news agency KCNA said.

    Last week, North Korea fired four ballistic missiles into the sea off Japan in response to annual U.S.-South Korea military drills, which the North sees as preparation for war.

    The murder in Malaysia last month of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un's estranged half-brother has added to a sense of urgency to efforts to handle North Korea.

    U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is due to make his first visit to South Korea on Friday.

    Last week, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said President Donald Trump's administration was re-evaluating its North Korea strategy and "all options are on the table".
  2. Standard member vivify
    rain
    16 Mar '17 04:37
    Given that Trump's massive ego, recklessness lack of composure, war with N. Korea may be a very real thing, given that Kim Jong Un is even more reckless and egotistical, being a tyrant raised as the spoiled child of a dictator. Trump, who said he'd even kill the families of suspected terrorists will only be far too willing to send bombs to N. Korea.
  3. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    16 Mar '17 04:46 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by vivify
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-usa-aircraft-carrier-north-idUSKBN16L0BD

    As the USS Carl Vinson plowed through seas off South Korea on Tuesday, rival North Korea warned the United States of "merciless" attacks if the carrier infringes on its sovereignty or dignity during U.S.-South Korean drills.

    F-18 fighter jets took off from the flight d ...[text shortened]... 's administration was re-evaluating its North Korea strategy and "all options are on the table".
    Unless they are mad enough to think that possession of nuclear weapons makes them invulnerable this is just noise because of the exercises. They've conducted a series of nuclear tests, but that is different from producing a nuclear arsenal capable of actually doing anything other than explode in underground tests. North Korea's statements are just sabre rattling and probably more for internal consumption than something they expect the Americans to react to beyond rattling US sabres. The exercises will pass off without incident.
  4. Standard member vivify
    rain
    16 Mar '17 05:10 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    Unless they are mad enough to think that possession of nuclear weapons makes them invulnerable this is just noise because of the exercises. They've conducted a series of nuclear tests, but that is different from producing a nuclear arsenal capable of actually doing anything other than explode in underground tests. North Korea's statements are just sabr ...[text shortened]... Americans to react to beyond rattling US sabres. The exercises will pass off without incident.
    Kim Jong is out to prove something. He wants to show the world that he's a man to be feared and taken seriously; that he's a powerful man commanding a powerful army.

    Trump is similar, and there's a frightening possibility, given his temperament, that he may see N. K. as a threat and react.

    We'd better hope that neither Fox News, Breibart or InfoWars start reporting them as a threat to be dealt with (since Trump made decisions based on their claims). They've made similarly irresponsible claims before. For example, Fox News reported WMDs were found in Iraq, along with a host of inflammatory, fear-mongering rhetoric toward Muslims. The phrase "bomb them back to the stone-age" has been used by Republicans, even though there's no Muslim country that poses any real threat to the U.S.

    Trump has proven to be easily swayed by such rhetoric. With him in office, war with N.K. is a legitimate possibility.
  5. Subscriber mchill
    cryptogram
    16 Mar '17 13:56 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by vivify
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-usa-aircraft-carrier-north-idUSKBN16L0BD

    As the USS Carl Vinson plowed through seas off South Korea on Tuesday, rival North Korea warned the United States of "merciless" attacks if the carrier infringes on its sovereignty or dignity during U.S.-South Korean drills.

    F-18 fighter jets took off from the flight d ...[text shortened]... 's administration was re-evaluating its North Korea strategy and "all options are on the table".
    Both sides are being childish here. We all know North Korea's leader is a rather unstable person who wants very badly to be a big man on the world stage, but lacks the resources to be one. In sending an aircraft carrier to the region, America is being equally childish, by provoking this little fat man (with the silly haircut)
  6. 16 Mar '17 13:59 / 1 edit
    Maybe Trump will start a war with NK in the hopes they nuke California or Hawaii.
  7. 16 Mar '17 14:27
    Originally posted by mchill
    Both sides are being childish here. We all know North Korea's leader is a rather unstable person who wants very badly to be a big man on the world stage, but lacks the resources to be one. In sending an aircraft carrier to the region, America is being equally childish, by provoking this little fat man (with the silly haircut)
    "Both sides are being childish here. We all know North Korea's leader is a rather unstable person"

    Actually, Kim Jong Un is fairly reasonable despite US propaganda. All he wants is for the USA to stop drills and sign a peace treaty. That sounds reasonable to me.

    https://www.rt.com/news/329192-north-korea-peace-demands/

    Two can play at that game.

    http://www.newsweek.com/russia-plans-joint-military-drills-north-korea-and-cuba-303836
  8. 16 Mar '17 14:33
    Originally posted by vivify
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-usa-aircraft-carrier-north-idUSKBN16L0BD

    As the USS Carl Vinson plowed through seas off South Korea on Tuesday, rival North Korea warned the United States of "merciless" attacks if the carrier infringes on its sovereignty or dignity during U.S.-South Korean drills.

    F-18 fighter jets took off from the flight d ...[text shortened]... 's administration was re-evaluating its North Korea strategy and "all options are on the table".
    "The murder in Malaysia last month of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un's estranged half-brother has added to a sense of urgency to efforts to handle North Korea. "

    You are assuming that Un had Nam killed. How likely do you think Un would kill Nam using a WMD nerve poison? I know I like to show off my WMD capability so people can easily demonize me and make the case for invasion.
  9. 16 Mar '17 14:33
    N Korea does this to hold power over its own people.

    Every few years N Korea kills a few S Koreans then goes back to we will have peace.
  10. 16 Mar '17 14:37
    Originally posted by Eladar
    N Korea does this to hold power over its own people.

    Every few years N Korea kills a few S Koreans then goes back to we will have peace.
    They already have firm power over the people. The USA invades countries and kills thousands. Who is the greater evil?
  11. 16 Mar '17 14:45
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    They already have firm power over the people. The USA invades countries and kills thousands. Who is the greater evil?
    N Korea


    Any other questions?
  12. 16 Mar '17 15:30
    Originally posted by Eladar
    N Korea


    Any other questions?
    Yes, what is your criteria? It obviously is not a body count.
  13. Standard member vivify
    rain
    16 Mar '17 15:31
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    "Both sides are being childish here. We all know North Korea's leader is a rather unstable person"

    Actually, Kim Jong Un is fairly reasonable despite US propaganda. All he wants is for the USA to stop drills and sign a peace treaty. That sounds reasonable to me.

    https://www.rt.com/news/329192-north-korea-peace-demands/

    Two can play at that game.

    http://www.newsweek.com/russia-plans-joint-military-drills-north-korea-and-cuba-303836
    Tensions between N.K and the U.S. go back way further than when Un came to power:

    https://mic.com/articles/32657/why-does-north-korea-hate-the-u-s

    A decades-old beef with dictators won't end with a treaty. Acording to the article, N.K. children are taught to hate the U.S. This would not be a "reasonable" action.
  14. 16 Mar '17 15:39
    Originally posted by vivify
    Tensions between N.K and the U.S. go back way further than when Un came to power:

    https://mic.com/articles/32657/why-does-north-korea-hate-the-u-s

    A decades-old beef with dictators won't end with a treaty. Acording to the article, N.K. children are taught to hate the U.S. This would not be a "reasonable" action.
    I am aware of that. It makes no difference.

    His father was reasonable too. If Russia did military drills next to the USA it would be met with the same bellicose anger. In fact, it already happened. Look into the Cuba nuclear missile crisis. The USA is clearly hypocritical with this issue. Another case of do what we say, not as we do.
  15. Standard member vivify
    rain
    16 Mar '17 15:51
    Originally posted by Metal Brain

    If Russia did military drills next to the USA it would be met with the same bellicose anger. In fact, it already happened. Look into the Cuba nuclear missile crisis. The USA is clearly hypocritical with this issue. Another case of do what we say, not as we do.
    Very good point.