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  1. Zugzwang
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    09 May '18 00:233 edits
    In Western societies, white women's lives and concerns are privileged above those of non-white women.
    Not many white men seem to object to that privileging of white women.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome

    "Charlton McIlwain, a professor at New York University, defines the syndrome
    as white women perpetually occupying a privileged role as violent crime victims
    in news media reporting, and concludes that missing white woman syndrome
    functions as a type of racial hierarchy in the cultural imagery of the West.
    Professor Eduardo Bonilla-Silva categorizes the racial component of missing
    white woman syndrome as a form of racial grammar, through which white
    supremacy is normalized by implicit or even invisible standards."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/08/how-white-women-use-strategic-tears-to-avoid-accountability

    "How white women use strategic tears to avoid accountability:
    The legitimate grievances of brown and black women are no match for
    the accusations of a white damsel in distress."
    --Ruby Hamad (journalist and PhD candidate in Australia)

    Ruby Hamad's wrong not to include other non-white women (such as East Asians0
    as also being afflicted, like 'black and brown women' by white racism

    "Trauma assails brown and black women from all directions. There is
    the initial pain of being subjected to gendered racism and discrimination,
    there is the additional distress of not being believed or supported, and of
    having your words and your bravery seemingly credited to others.

    And then there is a type of trauma inflicted on women of colour that many of us
    find among the hardest to disclose, the one that few seem willing to admit really
    happens because it is so thoroughly normalised most people refuse to see it."

    That means that 'most [white] people refuse to see' that non-white women are
    afflicted by racism (including from white women) in ways that white women are not.

    "To put it less poetically, it is the trauma caused by the tactic many white
    women employ to muster sympathy and avoid accountability, by turning
    the tables and accusing their accuser.

    Almost every BW (black woman) I know has a story about a time in a
    professional setting in which she attempted to have a talk with a WW
    about her behavior & it has ended with the WW (white woman) crying,”
    one black woman wrote on Twitter. “The WW wasn’t crying because she
    felt sorry and was deeply remorseful. The WW was crying because she
    felt “bullied” and/or that the BW was being too harsh with her.”

    White women like to play the victim (instantly gaining the sympathy of
    almost all white men) to avoid having to examine their own deep racism.

    "As I look back over my adult life a pattern emerges. Often, when I have
    attempted to speak to or confront a white woman about something she
    has said or done that has impacted me adversely, I am met with tearful
    denials and indignant accusations that I am hurting her."
    --Ruby Hamad

    That's how the White Feminist Suzianne consistently has acted toward me.

    "Brown and black women know we are, as musician Miss Blanks writes,
    “imperfect victims”. That doesn’t mean we are always in the right but it
    does mean we know that against a white woman’s accusations, our
    perspectives will almost always go unheard either way.
    Whether angry or calm, shouting or pleading, we are still perceived as the aggressors.

    Likewise, white women are equally aware their race privileges them as
    surely as ours condemns us. In this context, their tearful displays are a
    form of emotional and psychological violence that reinforce the very
    system of white dominance that many white women claim to oppose."

    Brava! I understand everything that Ruby Hamad wrote because she
    and I have had more than enough similar experiences with white women.

    White women benefit from white racism and white privilege as much as white men do.
    And there's not much evidence that white women are significantly less racist than white men.

    Ruby Hamad's article (which I expect hardly any white people here to comprehend)
    explains why so many non-white women refuse to work with toxic White Feminists.
    It might help some white people understand why many non-white women prefer to form their
    own feminist groups rather than join any 'feminist' group dominated by racist white women.

    Whenever non-white women criticize White Feminists, I understand them perfectly
    and I feel closer to these non-white women than I ever could to any White Feminist.
  2. Behind the scenes
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    09 May '18 20:47
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    In Western societies, white women's lives and concerns are privileged above those of non-white women.
    Not many white men seem to object to that privileging of white women.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome

    "Charlton McIlwain, a professor at New York University, defines the syndrome
    as white women perpetually occupying a p ...[text shortened]... perfectly
    and I feel closer to these non-white women than I ever could to any White Feminist.
    Whenever non-white women criticize White Feminists, I understand them perfectly
    and I feel closer to these non-white women than I ever could to any White Feminist.


    Maybe you should all get together, buy an island and live on it, and leave the rest of us alone! 😀
  3. Zugzwang
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    09 May '18 21:025 edits
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Whenever non-white women criticize White Feminists, I understand them perfectly
    and I feel closer to these non-white women than I ever could to any White Feminist.

    Maybe you should all get together, buy an island and live on it, and leave the rest of us alone! 😀
    The racist troll Mchill seems ignorant of the reality that non-white women considerably
    outnumber white women (not all of whom are White Feminists) in the world.
    In a global democracy, non-white women could readily outvote white women.
    (That would explain why racist white people presumably always would object to the
    principle of 'one adult, one vote' being extended to a global scale.)
    In a game of 'Survivor' (television show), non-white women could vote white women off the island.

    White Feminists love to pretend that they represent all women, even though they persistently
    refuse to listen to non-white women's diverse voices or respect their diverse experiences.
    But if there were a global democracy of women, the non-white majority would not elect
    a White Feminist as the leader of all women.

    So Mchill should tell White Feminists to get together on their island and leave other women alone.
    (Racist white men may enjoy visiting this White Feminist ghetto.)
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    09 May '18 21:331 edit
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    The racist troll Mchill seems ignorant of the reality that non-white women considerably
    outnumber white women (not all of whom are White Feminists) in the world.
    In a global democracy, non-white women could readily outvote white women.
    (That would explain why racist white people presumably always would object to the
    principle of 'one adult, one vote' ...[text shortened]... and leave other women alone.
    (Racist white men may enjoy visiting this White Feminist ghetto.)
    There are more women than men. But not if you exclude the white women. Once you exclude white women a majority becomes a minority.

    If there were a global democracy nonwhite women would find themselves outvoted.
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    09 May '18 21:58
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    The racist troll Mchill seems ignorant of the reality that non-white women considerably
    outnumber white women (not all of whom are White Feminists) in the world.
    In a global democracy, non-white women could readily outvote white women.
    (That would explain why racist white people presumably always would object to the
    principle of 'one adult, one vote' ...[text shortened]... and leave other women alone.
    (Racist white men may enjoy visiting this White Feminist ghetto.)
    Point of clarification:

    Are all feminists who are white (A), White Feminists (B) as you have defined it?

    If not, could you give an approximate percentage of those who are are A but not B?

    Also could you name some mainstream feminist organizations that you believe are "White Feminists"? Could you give some evidence (besides anecdotal) to support that characterization?

    Thanks in advance.
  6. Zugzwang
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    09 May '18 22:04
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung
    There are more women than men. But not if you exclude the white women. Once you exclude white women a majority becomes a minority.

    If there were a global democracy nonwhite women would find themselves outvoted.
    AThousandYoung has misleadingly snipped what I wrote, distorting its meaning to attack a 'strawman'.

    "But if there were *a global democracy of women..."
    --Duchess64

    Non-white women constitute a majority of 'a global democracy OF WOMEN'.
    I already know that 'non-white women' do NOT constitute a majority of 'a global democracy'
    OF ALL PEOPLE, which AThousandYoung prefers to put into my mouth to attack it.
  7. Zugzwang
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    09 May '18 22:203 edits
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Point of clarification:

    Are all feminists who are white (A), White Feminists (B) as you have defined it?

    If not, could you give an approximate percentage of those who are are A but not B?

    Also could you name some mainstream feminist organizations that you believe are "White Feminists"?
    Could you give some evidence (besides anecdotal) to support that characterization?

    Thanks in advance.
    I already have predicted that almost all white men, particularly the more racist white men,
    admire White Feminism (as the least threatening kind of feminism) and will attempt to
    defend it against all criticisms. Jamie Utt, a white man, is a critic of White Feminism.
    No white American man here even approaches his comprehension of white racism.

    As an ethnocentric American white man, No1Marauder already has a record of sneering at
    the diverse women (including some white women) who dare to criticize White Feminism
    and smugly dismissing their criticisms. No1Marauder has consistently attempted to
    marginalize criticisms of White Feminism, a racist ideology that seems least threatening
    to No1Marauder's own deeply dishonest racism (which, of course, he denies).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_feminism
    "White feminism is a form of feminism that focuses on the struggles of white women while failing
    to address *distinct forms of oppression* faced by ethnic minority women and women lacking other privileges."

    As an apparently ardent apologist for White Feminism, No1Marauder's trolling again.
    No1Marauder loves to pretend that I must be the only woman who condemns White Feminism,
    showing his dishonest willful blindness toward all the other diverse criticisms of White Feminism.

    I ALREADY HAVE WRITTEN MANY TIMES IN MANY THREADS (No1Marauder may feign ignorance)
    that NOT ALL WHITE WOMEN ARE WHITE FEMINISTS. Indeed, I have even QUOTED
    some white women condemning White Feminism.

    I don't know what proportion of white women would ADMIT to being White Feminists.
    Asking white women, "Are you a White Feminist?" would be like asking white people, "Are you a racist?"
    No1Marauder presumably would accept all denials of being White Feminists at face value.

    How many 'mainstream' American feminist groups officially admit to being White Feminist?
    How many American racist groups officially admit to being racist?

    No1Marauder would accept the existence of White Feminism only if White Feminists admit it.
    Therefore, No1Marauder should accept that racism's almost extinct in the USA because
    almost no people are honest enough to admit being racist.

    No1Marauder's an extremely dishonest racist and apologist for racism in some, though not all, forms.
    Every educated non-white woman who has read enough of No1Marauder's **** should know that.
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    09 May '18 22:49
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    I already have predicted that almost all white men, particularly the more racist white men,
    admire White Feminism (as the least threatening kind of feminism) and will attempt to
    defend it against all criticisms. Jamie Utt, a white man, is a critic of White Feminism.
    No white American man here even approaches his comprehension of white racism.

    As an ...[text shortened]... rms.
    Every educated non-white woman who has read enough of No1Marauder's **** should know that.
    Thanks for the non-answers (with the usual, expected childish bile, insults and lies).

    I would submit there is plenty of evidence that racism still exists and spawns invidious discrimination which can be detected.

    By contrast, your claims of "White Feminism" seem undetectable in any manner among actual white feminists. I wouldn't defend what you describe as White Feminism; I just do not think it exists in any significant degree and seems to be a mere title that you use to attack feminists who are white in your ceaseless hateful diatribes. That some others on the extremist fringe of feminism also engage in such divisive tactics does not make their and your error any more acceptable nor are such antics conducive to the achievement of feminist and other progressive goals.
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    09 May '18 23:18
    One of my biggest problems with the OP is this refrain that white women use their tears and it is a form of violence.

    Likewise, white women are equally aware their race privileges them as
    surely as ours condemns us. In this context, their tearful displays are a
    form of emotional and psychological violence that reinforce the very
    system of white dominance that many white women claim to oppose."


    I am trying to think of some kind of context for this.

    When does a white woman, in 2018, cry about something, and it is a form of emotional and psychological violence that reinforces white white dominance?

    I've seen women (and men) become emotional and cry to avoid responsibility for something, but I've always thought of them as individuals shirking responsibility.

    I have no recollection of someone crying and thinking this is them committing violence against us.

    This very sort of phraseology sounds extremist.
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    10 May '18 00:141 edit
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    In Western societies, white women's lives and concerns are privileged above those of non-white women.
    Not many white men seem to object to that privileging of white women.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome

    "Charlton McIlwain, a professor at New York University, defines the syndrome
    as white women perpetually occupying a p ...[text shortened]... perfectly
    and I feel closer to these non-white women than I ever could to any White Feminist.
    i think all these black male athletes have white woman syndrome...soon as they make it rich the first thing they want is a white woman. Are they being racist toward black women? Or are they just like me and think most black women are ugly?
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    10 May '18 00:17
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    In Western societies, white women's lives and concerns are privileged above those of non-white women.
    Not many white men seem to object to that privileging of white women.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome

    "Charlton McIlwain, a professor at New York University, defines the syndrome
    as white women perpetually occupying a p ...[text shortened]... perfectly
    and I feel closer to these non-white women than I ever could to any White Feminist.
    Duchy: White women benefit from white racism and white privilege as much as white men do.

    This statement, besides being demonstrably wrong, is a rejection of feminism itself.
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    10 May '18 00:19
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Whenever non-white women criticize White Feminists, I understand them perfectly
    and I feel closer to these non-white women than I ever could to any White Feminist.


    Maybe you should all get together, buy an island and live on it, and leave the rest of us alone! 😀
    Isle of Lesbos. Actually some rich white chick just bought an island. WOMEN ONLY
  13. Standard membershavixmir
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    10 May '18 01:52
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    i think all these black male athletes have white woman syndrome...soon as they make it rich the first thing they want is a white woman. Are they being racist toward black women? Or are they just like me and think most black women are ugly?
    No. This just means that a lot of white women, like your wife
    and your sister, enjoy black cock.
    They like cheating on people like you, because you’re too small to actually pleasure them properly.

    I can just see you cuckold in a corner, your wife moaning on all fours as 23cm of enjoyment have her squirting your marital bed into a pond.

    Yup.
    Racist, sexist and ultimately the core of your racism:

    YOU can’t seduce black women, but black men can seduce your wife.
    And instead of manning up, you whine like a little incel.
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    10 May '18 08:26
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    No. This just means that a lot of white women, like your wife
    and your sister, enjoy black cock.
    They like cheating on people like you, because you’re too small to actually pleasure them properly.

    I can just see you cuckold in a corner, your wife moaning on all fours as 23cm of enjoyment have her squirting your marital bed into a pond.

    Yup.
    Racis ...[text shortened]... , but black men can seduce your wife.
    And instead of manning up, you whine like a little incel.
    In all probability, Mott's wife and sister are the same person.
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    10 May '18 12:25
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    No. This just means that a lot of white women, like your wife
    and your sister, enjoy black cock.
    They like cheating on people like you, because you’re too small to actually pleasure them properly.

    I can just see you cuckold in a corner, your wife moaning on all fours as 23cm of enjoyment have her squirting your marital bed into a pond.

    Yup.
    Racis ...[text shortened]... , but black men can seduce your wife.
    And instead of manning up, you whine like a little incel.
    you surf a lot of porn don't you ? LMFAO!
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